Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

She was groomed , she was a child, she was exploited . She needs to come back and get the right support to ensure she can rebuild her life and not be re trafficked.

No. She wanted to join terrorists. Treat her as such. She supports those who knifed innocent people in London, who shot Brits on holiday in Tunisia, who blew up Ariana Grande fans in Manchester. Screw. That. She's not welcome.

It's also a bit worrying to see the implications that it might make a difference if she'd been remorseful

No doubt she could make a decent show of boo-hooing for the cameras, but how could we possibly know if it was genuine, any more than we can know if her poor children really were hers, or if she genuinely has been "repeatedly raped and attacked" as described?

I suspect she's more of a threat as a stateless person not being properly monitored or tracked, and being encouraged to be a martyr to her own stupidity the extremist causes, than she would be living in the UK.

Yeah ok @Relax2 because at 15 years old I had no idea of terrorist organisations and I really would have thought that that terrorist was indeed a lovely man who wouldn't hurt a fly, despite the fact that he was part of a murder party. No, no, he was sweet and loving.
Groomed, my arse!

@MoodyBitch maybe you would but many don't. Many are groomed from so young it's normal to them. Educate yourself on exploitation and modern day slavery . Country is rife with it.

She needs to be trafficked straight to a 6x4 concrete cell forever!

Every bloody country is rife with it @Relax2
Equally the country is rife with drug addicts, it doesn't mean that we all want to be one.
She knew exactly what she was doing.

No, she shouldn't be allowed back. All those posters saying she was young and made mistakes and should be forgiven - saying she didn't know what she was doing because she was young..... so were Jamie Bulger's killers....

I would rather she 'suffer' by not being allowed back into the UK than innocent members of the public be horrifically murdered and maimed by the terrorist threat she poses.

I don't care if she was 'groomed', 'exploited' or if she's changed her mind about ISIS. It's not like they were a pop group she's no longer into.

She was a child when groomed. She is now an adult with zero remorse and radicalised ideas. Sorry but no.

I feel sorry for her, she has cocked up massively...

but

no good will come from leaving her, and her child out there.

I think that she may be suffering a mental health problem from the video interviews i have seen, and likely need medicating, of here own free will of course.

i would have here back, it wouldn't bother me if she lived on my street.

i think it was wrong to essentially strip her of citizenship.

@Hotpinkangel19 yea they were - kids - got to ask how the hell they were like that at 10!! Parents fault! Some people's attitudes towards young people is disgusting and to be honest with a nation of "bang them up" or "extradite them" they have no hope anyway.

Like it or not a child is someone under the age of 18. Under this age they do not have the full developmental brain capacity of an adult (actually not even at 18 but the law says 18 is an adult)

@MoodyBitch hope no one you know is ever groomed or exploited!

It's reported she was far more active in ISIS than she admitted, as part of their 'morality police'. As well as apparently stitching suicide bombers into vests she was seen waving automatic weapons at women and screaming at them for their clothing. Representatives for Yazidi victims have also stated that ISIS brides were very active in their torture and want them to face justice. The accounts of what they went through are horrific.

I find it very offensive when people mention she was groomed like young girls are by older men. Having direct experience I have never met or heard of another young girl searching out videos on how to be groomed, watching videos on the practices of being raped and beaten by an older man and thinking "Yeah I want that"

Sure she may have been helped along in the process once she had found the right channels to go through. I am not denying that. But she sought them out whilst living in Britain, Now people are shouting she is to be returned to the place she ran from because she was groomed It's a slap in the face to some people. God only knows the relatives of the victims in Manchester etc must feel reading the ISIS sympathisers.

I don’t hold much truck with the “she was a child and groomed” argument. She was 15 not 5 and knew exactly what she was doing. However, I don’t agree with what seems to be the arbitrary and potential removal of statehood.

*potentially illegal I mean

Having read In the Skin of a Jihadist,
I can see how a 15 year old would be taken in. It is chilling. I can recommend it if you want to read more.
I don’t advocate sending forces into get her, however if she did manage to escape of her own accord, we have to take responsibility - she was radicalised on our soil and that’s our issue to sort out.

I think the point is, even if she were groomed. She still has those ideas and poses as a potential threat should she be allowed back into the UK. It makes zero difference how she ended up with these ideas and actions. She did them and it's too risky. She cannot be allowed back into the uk

@BenjaminH
She has no child

And to live on your street,how? She has no UK home. Are you suggesting she is brought back here ( by whom??) and is given a PROPERTY?

I think whatever she did or did not do or whatever she thinks or did not think... shes British. If it was a white girl whose grandparents were from Ireland we wouldnt be talking about sending her back to Ireland or forcing her to stay there because shed committed a crime. Why is it okay to try and get rid of her just because she has some Pakistani heritage?
Shes Britsh and so she should be dealt with here.
And she is not a citizen of her 'husbands' country because he is not really her husband because he was a grown man married to a child which is illegal in this country. Again if she were white no one would be seeing that as anything other than grooming and rape.

@Relax2
Don't even go down that road with me!

She was older than the two boys who murdered James bulger- should they be pitied too? She knew exactly what she was doing and whilst she may have sought people who confirmed her beliefs and magnified her extremism, she had the choice to say no throughout.
She still believes in her cause even now and in even in jail, would be dangerous.

Personally, if my 2 kids had died from being in Syria and I had a third in a worst place subsequently, I would have said ‘my son is British, he hasn’t done anything wrong, please take him back with you so he can be safe and survive’. I would have done anything to help him live even if it meant being away from him. She didn’t. She’s devoid of humanity and exactly where she wanted to be. She’ll be happier where she is.

I don't think she should have had her citizenship removed either. But she isn't a victim, she's a perpetrator. Those brutalised, raped, maimed and killed by the organisation she joined are the victims.

They didn't wait outside her school offering her gifts, manipulating her etc. She actively sought them out online and chose to travel to a warzone.