Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

For those saying she should be brought back here - who are you thinking will do this? You're asking one of my foreign office colleagues to travel to a war zone, in an ISIS camp and get her?

Nope. If she wants to return here (which apparently she does), she needs to make her own arrangements whilst the situation in Syria remains as it is. I think that's fair enough. And then dealt with appropriately once on home soil (which may mean a jail sentence, but dem's the breaks).

Her citizenship, however, should not have been removed and she should not be foisted on other countries. She is not their problem.

Anyone volunteering to go and collect her? Or is it the expectation that 'someone else' will risk their head to do it.

No way, no how, should she be allowed back.
There has to be a strong deferent. She's not going to be the only one who hated the western way of life (that kept her fed, educated, and healthy) and now realises they had it far better so want to come back. We can't trust them.

Ask yourself- would you want her living next door to you? Or in your town? Would you trust her?
She was involved in depravity and genocide.
I wish they would send a drone for her frankly.

I'm not sure if she is free to leave. Possibly some of the ISIS members in the camp might make it hard for her to leave. And she'd have to get to a neighbouring county to access a Consulate as we haven't got those inside Syria.

Plus the money for the journey might be hard to find.

I did wonder why her family didn't go out and fetch her - but it is probably dangerous for them to do so.

I really don't know on this one. My gut tells me she was groomed and it's not on the way the government and media have demonized her compared to the many males that have returned from ISIS with no media coverage.

I think she should be allowed back and closely monitored however, due to the media frenzy I think she would be hounded relentlessly and potentially harmed.

As for her interviews where she showed no remorse/emotion it may well be that she's not sorry or it could be that she is brainwashed/in shock/fearful that if she denounces ISIS whilst still in Syria she will be punished/killed.

She’s a threat. Keep her away.

Children the same age are groomed for sex, yet we don’t say those people deserve to be sexually abused and left in dangerous situations because they were old enough to know that being forced to perform sex acts is wrong.

You can’t morally protect one groomed child while ignoring another.

Her family's lawyer in 2019 says she was groomed online - so it must be true! Vulnerable people are the ones that may be groomed online. There was nothing to suggest in 2015 that this is what happened to her.

She says she was just a mum at home and didn't speak the language. That may have been true at first but plenty of evidence says that later on she had a very active role in ISIS.

Please can anyone explain why having British citizenship means she has to be brought back here for trial? Last time I looked there were many Brits tried and imprisoned in other countries, so why should Shamima be different?

And yes, I realise Syria's effectively a failed state, but that's largely because of the group she supported and it's also the risk she took in going there

Isn’t the difference because she’s a refugee puzzled? A displaced person who should be returned home (isn’t that the point of refugee camps- to sort out where people are sent next?)

I mean she’s obviously not a British citizen anymore so displaced but that was my assumption when she was

Bibibirdie you're right. Groomed and vulnerable applies to the poor girls of Sheffield and Rochdale, I'm care homes with no one, not a straight a student who took herself off to Syria. Groomed my arse, she's bloody evil, I do t care what's she has suffered in syria.
Karma

being groomed towards having sex hurts the child themselves. Being groomed to join fuckin ISIS is a bit different

Government money could be better spent on people who really need it. Social care, homeless veterans, and people with disabilities all rank way higher than throwing money at someone who CHOSE to join people who enjoy murdering innocent people.
Plus I feel she is a huge risk.

I meant to say the money would be spent keeping HER safe. NO NO NO. I'd rather it was spent on worthy causes.

All those saying she was a child at 15, did you not know hurting people was bad at 5,6,7,8,9,10 or whatever age way before 15 and at 15 you understand killing and murder, saying she was young and groomed completely ignores the fact that at her age she would have known about isis and the killing etc and went. She also shows no remorse its stupid to think she's not a threat IMO.

Keep her away, she may be miserable but look at the devastation ISIS has brought on families and the nation. She is alive others arent. Manchester bombing, never forget that. At 15 she would have known the impact of supporting terrorism. She deserves to feel unhappy.

She was a child and she was groomed.

We need to bring her back and then assess whether she is a risk or not.

She should be shot. End of.

I'm inclined to agree Pollywolly, just like any criminal.

@pollywollydolly who is going to bring her back? if our armed forces enter syria they will be attacked,kidnapped and brutally killed on video so their families and the uk public can watch.....who do you think should put themselves forwards for that to potentially happen to?

I genuinely don't know, cherrycoke. If she's deemed a refugee because her citizenship's been revoked I'd have thought she'd have to apply for asylum before being able to choose a trial here (and of course asylum may not be granted)

That said, if she's unable to make it out of Syria under her own steam the whole point may be moot and she'll just have to stay there - which would suit some of us just fine

Keeping terrorists in unstable countries increases the risk to the UK. At the moment she is secured in a camp, but that could change in the future.

@marvellousnightforamooncup who will go in to get her? bear in mind she can't just leave.....ISIS will fight....who will go in for her then?

I’ve just read the latest interview & I do feel sorry for the situation she is in, but she was radicalised not groomed. She sought out ISIS herself via the internet & was not put off by images of torture & beheadings. She was a willing participant in an evil barbaric regime & would still be there if the Islamic State hadn’t fallen.

@JJSS123
I agree.
All those shouting groomed and bring her back yada yada have short memories.
Pretty sure they would be singing a different tune if it was one of their loved ones blown to pieces or had their heads hacked off.
She knew exactly what she was doing.
She might not have murdered anyone directly with her own hands, but those hands have blood on them.
Murdering bitch.