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DP’s stonewalling is destroying me

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LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken · 26/09/2019 09:07

(Apologies for posting this in AIBU, it gets the most traffic and I’m desperate to speak to someone about this)

Hi,

I’m looking for advice from any of you who have experienced stonewalling in your relationships/marriages, and whether or not you can tell me that there’s some miraculous light at the end of the tunnel for this ‘behaviour’ to correct or reverse itself.

Currently on day 3 of not speaking to DP since he stonewalled me during what should have been an easy going, simple, honest and open conversation on Monday night. What we spoke about isn’t relevant, as he’ll stonewall me over literally anything remotely serious or important, or about us, or about me being upset, angry or annoyed over something.

I opened the conversation as placidly and nicely as possible. It really should have been something that was over and done with and dealt with within 5 minutes, but classic DP reverted to his usual tactics of shutting down, ignoring me, not even looking at me, just staring at his phone and channel flicking and not saying a word in response, acting as though as I wasn't even in the room with him, although he could blatantly hear me becoming more upset thanks to him blanking me. As a result of him doing this (and this happens every time he treats me this way), I grow more irate and start to lose my temper as I fight to be heard and understood, and battle for his attention, so although I start conversations by treading on eggshells and speaking as gingerly as possible, I end up losing sight of the original problem as his stonewalling takes a hold of me and I become incredibly pissed off.

I woke up on Tuesday morning, following nothing been resolved or put to bed, and sent him a message about it. A tactic he claims he finds easier to deal with, though he doesn’t respond to my messages either, and doesn’t bring it up when he gets home, so it’s just another way of him avoiding me and the issues at hand.

I basically reiterated the original issue, and once again, for the thousandth time, told him that the way he treats me during discussions isn’t ok. He ignored my message, came home, nothing was said about it, we spent Tuesday evening in silence and he got up and went to work yesterday, came home, and again, nothing said. I ended up going to him last night and asking him if he was planning on apologising to me and explaining himself, to which he just shook his head, all whilst not looking at me. I asked him if his respect for me is that low, that he truly thinks ignoring me is acceptable, and he told me to ‘leave him alone’ as he was going to bed soon. He’s gone to work this morning without saying goodbye, and I suspect this evening will be a repeat of the last two nights.

DP went for counselling regarding his awful communication problems last year. It was via the NHS therapy for you services, so only a 6 course session, but he claimed it gave him some tools to help him open up, see things from my perspective and not shut down, though evidently it didn’t do a damn thing, as we’re still stuck in the same rut of him ignoring me, the avoidance, belittling me and him manipulating conversations simply by saying nothing at all.

I just don’t know what to do anymore. We’ve been together for 5 years, and for the first few years, I tried so hard to understand that ‘serious’ conversations must just be difficult for him. So as such, I’ve tried all kinds of different avenues to speak to him. I’ve tried the quiet and gentle approach, I’ve tried having screaming matches, I’ve tried writing letters, leaving them for him then taking myself out so he can read about the issue in peace then discuss it calmly when I returned, I’ve tried sending messages while he was at work so he can read them on the train journey home then talk about it later that evening, I’ve tried telling him to go for a walk mid conversation to get some air, then we’ll speak in half an hour, I’ve tried giving him days until I’ve brought it up again. Nothing works. It’s like as long I never voice my opinions, express any concerns, never talk about anything of any importance, then things are completely fine between us. But the moment I try and open up, I’m instantly shut down and it’s breaking my heart because I don’t know what else I can do, or for how much longer I can expect him to act this way before he wakes up and realises that this isn’t how a responsible, respectful, loving partner should be treating their spouse.

I don’t know if it’s emotional abuse, but I do know that I feel so disrespected, unheard, like my thoughts, opinions, doubts or concerns hold no importance to him, I just feel like I’m not being taken seriously, and frankly like I’m a piece of shit on the bottom of his shoe.

Apart from the stonewalling, he’s generally a good person, and I think that’s why I’ve stuck around so long. But I feel as though I’m reaching my breaking point and that his shitty communication issues are starting to impact my mental health because nothing is ever resolved, and the 1% of times that things are resolved, it's entirely on his terms.

Do chronic stonewallers ever change? Or is it something that’s so deep rooted that they physically can’t change their ways, even if they wanted to?

OP posts:
Relationshipsajoke · 26/09/2019 12:53

My partner is exactly the same. He’s now done the follow up to all of this and left me and still won’t tall. If I try I get fuck off leave me alone you’re not helping yourself.

It’s awful and he will never change.

I took an overdose two days ago. That’s where it gets you.

Really222 · 26/09/2019 12:55

Also, I doubt I will get together with anyone else, but if I were dating someone and there were the slightest hint of this kind of behaviour or a bad temper, they would be immediately out of the door.

poobumwee · 26/09/2019 12:56

Hi OP
Sorry to read you are going through this.
Purely looking at this from your perspective, you are being controlled and forced to walk on egg shells. Being on edge around someone who is supposed to love you, is not acceptable!

You have to focus your energy on what you can control, which is how you to chose to react to the situation you find yourself in. He is clearly not able/willing to change how he reacts. Think how you would feel in a few years if nothing has changed and you are still with him.

poobumwee · 26/09/2019 12:57

Really222 Glad you claimed back your life!

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 26/09/2019 12:58

So sorry for what you are going through.

From you post it sounds as if you are always the one who "caves" first.. gives in and apologises, admits you were wrong or behaved badly because the silent treatment is so intolerable.

What would happen if you didn't apologise?. how long do you think he would carry this on? Has he ever broken the standoff ?
Sorry OP I do think he is very controlling
How would you react if you had children and treated them like this?
As pp said it might be time to get councilling yourself so that you can sort out your own thoughts around this.

Nanny0gg · 26/09/2019 12:58

@ShutupWesley Thu 26-Sep-19 12:06:24
Stop making excuses 🙄 either leave him and get your life back or stay with him and let this emotional abuse continue. If you choose to do the latter then at least stop posting about it, it's frustrating and disrespectful to the people who actually are investing their time in offering you advice and trying to help you.

FGS! She only posted 3 hours ago!

Don't be so ridiculous!

katseyes7 · 26/09/2019 12:58

My ex husband used to do this. He'd totally ignore me for days, then all of a sudden begin behaving like nothing was wrong again.
lt is emotional abuse. l'd walk now. lt won't get any better.

Tighnabruaich · 26/09/2019 13:00

LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken - are you getting anything out of this relationship?
Anything at all?
Your one precious life is being thrown away, waiting and hoping - your 'what ifs' - for him to change.
He seems completely uninterested in having a mature, fulfilling relationship and I can't honestly see why you are hanging around.
I'd rather be on my own than live with him.

Cosmos45 · 26/09/2019 13:00

"It was more of a raised voice while I tried desperately not to burst in to tears as I frantically tried to get him to acknowledge me whilst he looked right past me and was channel flicking."

This sentence has me recoiling in horror op. I know we are different people and i don't know your exact situation but if anyone EVER did this to me I would walk away and not go back. How disrespectful, rude, abusive, controlling, nasty, shit shower of a person do you need to be to behave like that against someone you are supposed to love. Whether it be my a partner, husband, boyfriend, girlfriend, colleague, friend, family member etc I would not let that person treat me like that ever again.

Please please leave, it sounds like he has destroyed you already anyway, and by your own admission he has got worse not better, if it is a continually downward spiral what are his next tactics to add on to this abuse?

MzHz · 26/09/2019 13:00

Ok, practicalities...

What is the situation as far as your housing etc? Who’s house is it? Do you rent? As a couple?

What is it going to take to extricate yourself from this?

LannieDuck · 26/09/2019 13:03

I second the recommendation to read jamaisjedors's threads. The first is about how her husband sulked for months at a time after something didn't go his way. It's escalated quite some way since then, and her husband seems to have some serious psychological issues.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 26/09/2019 13:07

As someone who spent 20 years in one abusive relationship after another, I only have one thing to tell you. I invite you to take it to heart:

He will never, never change.

That's all you need to know.

Workingisntworking · 26/09/2019 13:13

I have a dh that was like this. He absolutely refused to discuss any issues big or small. I'm a emotionally deep person and can be quite firey so I thought it was me initially and that I just expected to much because he was emotionally simpler and calmer than me. He wouldn't ignore me instead he would pretend nothing had happened at all. I remember one day driving home from a bad hospital appointment with our dc and crying and he literally hummed along to the radio and acted as if everything was completely fine. It seriously messed me up. Our dc was diagnosed with a significant medical condition and he just ignored all of it and refused to talk about it. Was absolutely awful few years. We were both young and I had no idea how much damage it was doing to me. It's only now looking back I can see how awful it was for my mental health.
With my dh it wasn't a form of abuse, he really didn't realise how awful it was, he just had no idea how to communicate. He had grown up in a family where no one discussed anything. I decided to leave and dh finally saw what he was doing. It took a lot of work and years but he's like a different person now and can see how bad it was. He now looks at his family and is embarrassed that he used to be the same as them. He still has times where I can see he is desperate to stonewall me and shut my feelings down because he finds it all a bit overwhelming but he works through it.

So while what your dp is doing is awful I don't agree that it's always abusive. My dh is a lovely person and just didn't know how else to be.
I would write him a letter explaining exactly how you feel. Tell him that this is the turning point and that he must change and put effort into the relationship by communicating well with you or you need to leave.

CJSmith2019 · 26/09/2019 13:14

He is very clever at succeeding in constantly making me feel like the bad guy though. Like hearing about my problems is such an inconvenience to him that I wind up apologising for it. It's insane. I know it is. I know I'm stupid for staying with him. I feel lost.

It is abuse, OP. I know it can be hard to see that but it absolutely is. No, you are not stupid, not in the slightest. His behaviour is making you doubt yourself. Gather your thoughts. Start working on a plan. Where can you go? Who can help? Etc. You would probably find that friends and family would not be at all surprised to hear that you have left.

Vanhi · 26/09/2019 13:15

If you choose to do the latter then at least stop posting about it, it's frustrating and disrespectful to the people who actually are investing their time in offering you advice and trying to help you.

OP please completely ignore this. If people choose to offer advice, that's up to them. It places you under no obligation at all. As MN are wont to post, do not offer more than you can afford to give. Anyone offering advice should not do so with the expectation that it will be taken. If they believe it creates obligation they shouldn't post.

TheClitterati · 26/09/2019 13:17

He won't change & you deserve better. Don't waste any more of yourself with him.

sprouts21 · 26/09/2019 13:21

Op like many abused women you probably believe that if you're patient and understanding enough eventually you'll earn his respect and love and be rewarded with " relationships heaven". You won't. You'll likely be casually discarded like so many of the women on here have described.

The silent treatment and stonewalling are favourite tactics employed by individuals with personality disorders. Where there is one type of abuse there are usually others like financial abuse or sexual abuse. Is he abusive in other ways also? I would be very surprised if he wasn't.

I think it's important to recognise that the problem here is not the stonewalling. The stonewalling is simply a manifestation of his abusive beliefs. Maybe you'll be successful in stopping this behaviour, but you will still be left with someone who has abusive beliefs and disordered thinking.

Besides, if he stopped tomorrow would you ever really be able to forgive him? Would you ever be able to feel safe with him? I would hate him a lot if I was you.

ArgumentativeAardvaark · 26/09/2019 13:21

You just aren’t communicating in a compatible way. You want to talk about everything, he doesn’t, it’s really as simple as that. You start banging on about the same thing over and over again (in his mind) so he shuts down because as far as he’s concerned that was days ago. You get frustrated because (in your mind) nothing ever gets sorted.

I think what this comment fails to recognise is it is not simply that OP’s DP is refusing to discuss the issue(s) she wants to discuss, he is not talking to her about anything at all! Not about what to have for dinner, how her day at work was, what to watch on TV. Nothing! How can any relationship that involves long periods of the other person literally not speaking to you be worth having? They are just a silent lump of flesh cluttering up your house!

OP, tell us what good things you get from this relationship that you think make it worth putting up with this...

SavingSpaces2019 · 26/09/2019 13:24

We’ve been together for 5 years, and for the first few years, I tried so hard to understand that ‘serious’ conversations must just be difficult for him
He could stonewall me over me asking him why he doesn't take the rubbish out on bin days, or he could stonewall me over something huge. The topic itself is irrelevant to how he acts
So you CHOSE to tolerate this shite for 5 years?!!!! Shock
He is NOT going to change because YOU have zero respect for yourself - so why should he?

DP went for counselling regarding his awful communication problems last year....he claimed it gave him some tools to help him open up, see things from my perspective and not shut down,
Nothing works. It’s like as long I never voice my opinions, express any concerns, never talk about anything of any importance, then things are completely fine between us. But the moment I try and open up, I’m instantly shut down...it's always me that has to mediate and rectify arguments

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of times i hear/read about women who think counselling will 'change' an abuser - it doesn't.

You must be pretty desperate to keep clinging to this waste of space.

Pashola · 26/09/2019 13:26

@LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken are you me? This is exactly my situation, right down to my DH childhood.
We are currently on a trial separation, and after 7-10 years of his stonewalling (and other behaviours) he has finally seen the light and is attending counselling and I can definitely see a significant and real change in his behaviour...sounds great doesn't it?

The thing is I think it's too late for me.
I have put up with his behaviour for so long it has seriously affected me, the only reason I'm struggling is because of all his other great qualities and now he is finally doing what I asked all those years ago, I'm struggling to actually fully let go.

Tonnerre · 26/09/2019 13:26

I know it might seem like I'm just as bad as him for not going to him and talking to him and resuming 'business as usual

It really doesn't seem like that, OP. I read what has been happening is that you have tried talking to him, you've tried apologising to him, you've tried following his lead and ignoring what has happened, and none of that has worked - so failing to do something that doesn't work definitely doesn't make you "as bad as him." I do think however that you need to resolve the stalemate by either leaving or giving a final ultimatum.

7to25 · 26/09/2019 13:33

Far from having communication problems, he is communicating very well! You are on a punishment schedule and he LOVES it. He will only stop when he gets no benefit so stop crying. Stop pleading. Go somewhere for the weekend and don't tell him. When you start to enjoy his silence because you get a bit of peace, he will stop.

AloeVeraLynn · 26/09/2019 13:35

@Relationshipsajoke was that an extreme attempt to get him to listen to you? It sounds like he has done you both a favour in leaving. Do yourself a favour and let it go and move forward. I don't think your situation is the same as the OP..

headinhands · 26/09/2019 13:41

"I think that's the part I'm really struggling to wrap my head around. Or perhaps don't want to admit to myself."

I've been in two relationships which harmed my self worth. I think it's important to make a distinction though, I don't think people who are abusive are following a plan. It just comes down to their immaturity.

The two relationships I mention earlier, they were abusive in that they hadn't reached a level of emotional maturity that you need for a relationship, so they were selfish. They weren't monsters who'd gone to abuser school, they just hadn't developed emotionally beyond a certain age. And you're not getting to be able to get them fixed. Find someone whose a proper grown up.

PandaPantaloon · 26/09/2019 13:41

My dh is like this. He has ASD and finds it difficult to communicate what he is thinking and shuts down or gets angry because he feels defensive about the fact that he can't communicate. He isn't doing it to be abusive, he just can't do what I take for granted. Little things that we could sort out in 5 minutes can stew for weeks.

I have found that giving him prior notice that we have to have a conversation about x and breaking down it down into main bullet points helps because he can mainly answer yes or no questions, he just finds it more difficult to expand on things or to answer more than one short question at a time. If he can't manage to get across what he is thinking or doesn't understand what I am saying then re framing the question can help.

I'm not going to lie, it is incredibly difficult and frustrating for both of us and if I wasn't 15years and 2 kids into a relationship with him I don't know if I would bother. It can be soul destroying pouring your heart out to someone and receiving a blank look in return and even though he can't help it, it can still feel abusive.

Anyway my point is that it isn't always done with malicious intent like some here are insisting, we all have differing abilities and some people really suck at communication.