Teen advice makes me worried

[ChipOnMyOvary]

I was reading this advice page for teenagers. AIBU to think it is a bit ott?
I find it a bit like girls are expected to put up with male mores. Am I a modern day Mary Whitehouse, or is this like actual grooming of pre-16 girls?

@RhiWrites
Yes, knowledge is power. That's agreed.
However, there is sex education and there's sex education.
My kids are adults now. Both me and their father answered any questions they had regarding sex honestly and factually.
We taught them about self respect and respecting others when it came to sex, both our daughters and our sons.
They are now in healthy, happy marriages.
What we didn't feel the need to discuss is anal, skat, felching and fisting.
They were aware of those practices as they hit their late teens. Then they discussed them with us.
Extreme sexual practices have no place in a child's mind, nor does encouraging mastubation at six years old.

Starlight "So if things are done in the right way, promoting sexual health, the vital importance of consent sex, I think the concept can be good."

Yes. But that's exactly what this resource doesn't do.

It’s pretty offensive to describe sex education as grooming

No-one is doing that. People are describing some of the content of THIS specific resource as grooming.

Understanding what sex is, how it works, and how to do it safely is important

Agreed. Unfortunately this resource does not see fit to inform children of the dangers of some of the more err, specialist, sexual activities, and it lies about porn. Outright lies.

@AutumnRose1 - l have no evidence either way on that one, which is why I said “if things are done in the right way”.

I certainly don’t think teenage young women should be taught that sex is wrong.

And on the one hand the assertion is that 13 year olds are perfectly well equipped to be able to deal with learning about fisting and eating shit during sex, but apparently not equipped to be able to deal with the words 'penis and vagina' so the words 'bits and willy' are used instead - again Paedo Alert!

Yes, they are not considered old enough to legally vote, get married, have children, drink alcohol, smoke, drive etc either, yet fisting, eating shit, sucking fluids out of the anus or vagina etc, all normalised. I mean it's not "technically legal" but hey, everyone is doing it so heres some "facts" so you can be as clued up as possible.
Oh also girls, have a think to yourself about why you don't want a male GP to examine you at 13 years old, that's pretty sexist of you. Ffs the world has gone mad.

Starlight the evidence is the resource linked to?!

This isn’t sex ed, this is exploitation and grooming. This isn’t giving children the age-appropriate information they may need to navigate a world full of pornography, this is designed specifically to lower boundaries, to establish kink as normal, and to brutalise children by exposing them to fairly horrifying things at an early age.
This is similar to the tactics used the world over when exploiting children, eg child soldiers.

I am very interested in just WHY this man is so invested in selling extreme fetishes to young children. Why he tells them that all sex is “icky”, why he tells girls that they may need to think about wanting a female HCP. The whole tone is that of a very manipulative adult. Surely this sort of manipulative language is just what we should be teaching our children to spot ?

@SirVixofVixHall it is not Jonny Hunt writing the bit about felching though. The sections taken from Jonny Hunt's website are clearly copyrighted to him and labelled as such. The answers to questions are written by others (NHS, Uni, the council itself) and the questions themselves come from young people.
respectyourself.info/parents/about-this-site/

Anyone can email in a question Shawshanks. The one about the 12 year old with a crush on the music teacher wanking all night isn't real.

Someone's certainly getting off on it though.

Just so we're clear then...
Don't trust NSPCC, the council, NHS, the Uni or CEOP to safeguard children as they have all been hoodwinked.
And the team are only publishing the answers to the (fake) Qs so that others (or themselves?) can get off on it.

I hope you've referred the website then Orchid? For safeguarding reasons? Perhaps also refer those behind the website, like the Uni, council team, NHS?

Who will you refer them to?

I think it's clear,just feom the responses on this thread, the lack of awareness and how widespread it is that this revolting document grooming underage children can be published...and some thinks it ok!!

Agreeing with the other posters that have been to the website and reported it...

Don't trust NSPCC, the council, NHS, the Uni or CEOP to safeguard children as they have all been hoodwinked.

I would say don't BLINDLY trust any organisation to safeguard. Use your intelligence and experience and instincts. There are people who infiltrate organisations in order to access the vulnerable, and there is much to be gained by regulatory capture for a few rogue individuals.

Most people employed in a safeguarding role will have nothing but children's interests and safety at heart. But not all. (Rotherham SS, WYorks Police, Jimmy Savile in the NHS, BBC - all organisations we would expect to top of their game in safeguarding. All failed whilst firmly in the public eye.) Be vigilant.

I absolutely accept there are going to be individuals who work for these organisations that are corrupt, that abuse children, and need to be dealt with, with the full force of the law. These people covered up what they did, they knew it was wrong. However there have been some on here that have given the impression that the whole of the organisations mentioned are corrupt, as they are involved in this website. That I disagree with.

There are people in Warwickshire who will need to have faith that should they have a safeguarding concern, they can report to the MASH team at the council, and that it will be dealt with. There will be vulnerable people that need to have faith when they visit the NHS that they will be helped. There will be people across the UK that will rely on the advice CEOP give on CSE. Suggesting that these organisations are somehow complicit in abuse because of this website is wrong IMHO.

He also talks about the fetish of frotteurism, Without one mentioning that it's actually a crime. Whatever your age.

In terms of trusting the NSPCC? Is this another appeal to authority?

How do you think people manage to circumvent safeguarding?

For the record, the NSPCC didn't see anything wrong with one of their employees wearing a rubber gimp suit, whilst filming himself urinating and masturbating in it at work, and uploading the video to a public site.

Neither did they see anything wrong with hiring an ambassador for Childline, who, themselves, had encouraged children to contact them privately online.

This is the express meaning of the term regulatory capture.

It's also interesting to note that apparently, Warwick council have removed this from their website now.

Suggesting that these organisations are somehow complicit in abuse because of this website is wrong IMHO.

I certainly don't think that the entire organisations are complicit, and I don't know how anyone could think that, given their size.

What needs to be done, is that people point out each and every occasion where they are complicit. Not the entire organisation, every last employee, obviously.

But clearly, whoever signed off on this information IS complicit.

Shocking

and the questions themselves come from young people.

Yeah fucking right.

That '12 year old girl' who can't stop masturbating to porn all night long and constantly orgasming? You think that's for real?

For starters a 12 year old girl being exposed to porn is a safeguarding issue and is not 'perfectly natural for a girl of your age' as per the website. Bleugh.

And that's without the fact that the way its written reads like a paedophile's fantasy.

12. Twelve.

To be fair, if this was nothing more than a clinical list of weird sex practices that young people might come across when they look at porn, as part of a wider education programme about healthy relationships, I wouldn't have too much of a problem with it.

But it's not is it.

The bit about felching being 'icky... But then sex generally is'.

The bit about 'neogitating' sex.

The bit about the mythical 'nymphomaniac 12 year old'.

The bit about 'having a think' about why you might not want a male doctor to examine you.

The people on this thread defending this utter shite - I can't tell if you are being deliberately obtuse to play devil's advocate, you are genuinely totally naive or if you are actually on board with this for your own sinister agenda.

He also talks about the fetish of frotteurism, Without one mentioning that it's actually a crime. Whatever your age.

Yes. What a great approach to consent. Rubbing up against people on public transport to get off.

I just saw this utter travesty of sex ed and came to express my horror. I honest don't think anyone with any familiarity with safeguarding can have seen it.

But PeterRouse has said everything I wanted to so I will just say ^this.

Has it been taken down now as Datun says?

Has it been taken down now as Datun says?

A poster in feminism chat said it has. But I'm not on Twitter. If anyone else is on Twitter, maybe they can check?

I'll head over to FWR and have a look 👍

Don’t think it is a v well designed website. How likely is it that people are going to sit down and click on all the paths to get all the appropriate info? Feels like a lazy copy and paste from a book. More emphasis needs to be on consent, STIs and implications of pregnancy and relationships. Although it is good that it de-stigmatises sex and talking about it, the harms are not really given much prominence: at least some people have had relationship problems due to porn, pain (especially 1st few times), sex slavery.

Nope the website is still up

respectyourself.info/sex/pornography/

As I said on another thread- there's a section about sexting, where the fOCUS seems to be 'make sure you don't embarrass yourself by sending a sexy pic or text to your parents'

No mention of the law. No mention of saying no if your partner wants a 'sexy pic' and you don't wNt to send it. No mention of revenge porn pics. No mention that taking a 'sexy pic' of yourself or someone else under 18 is ILLEGAL and is CHILD PORN.

FFS