To think that sensible conservatives will not be able to vote for boris after his recent behaviour?

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Really? After lying and shutting down democracy and his disgusting performance in parliament today. Surely you can’t vote conservative now unless you’re a very small demographic that they are seemingly targeting. Surely they will lose much of their core vote now . Most folk who vote conservative aren’t are decent, law abiding people. Boris Johnson’s behaviour surely offends the majority?

Nice

(As in, not nice)

I’m the floating voter they should be trying too woo to win elections.

But the Conservatives have lost my vote until they kill off this ludicrous obsession with Europe which poisons everything else. I was fooled into thinking Cameron had neutralised it but I was wrong. Goes without saying I would not vote for them with Johnson at the helm.

And Labour have lost me until the sensible people get back in charge of the party.

I’m left with voting Lib Dem as the lesser of the evils, even though I really disagree with them on self ID gender stuff.

MPs should not have invoked the name of Jo Cox in parliamentary debate.It was cynical party politics. Her husband talked very movingly about this on the radio this morning.
Anyway I think Johnson is behaving appallingly and will vote LD despite thinking Jo Swinson inspires me not a jot. Labour under Jeremy? Never.

MPs should not have invoked the name of Jo Cox in parliamentary debate.It was cynical party politics. Her husband talked very movingly about this on the radio this morning.

Yes. Sheriff and Brabin were crass in their invocation of Jo Cox’ name, Boris responded by being glib about her.

All equally bad, from where I’m sitting, and I’d be furious if someone kept conjuring my dead relative’s ghost in a similar, politicized way. If everyone would just remove their political blinkers, perhaps they’d see it.

I didn’t hear Today this morning. Anyone got any idea what time BC was on, roughly? I’d like to hear it.

Chomalunga - I think in an equal society the fact that she is female is irrelevant. The death of Jo Cox was horrendous, none of us will ever forget her or the circumstances around her tragic slaying. The MP shrieked across the floor that the prime minister should “moderate his language” to ensure mps could safely go about their jobs - in my opinion this is humbug.

Really222 - I shall be interested to see which EU country will pick up the slack when our financial contribution ceases.

Negotiating 1:1 is far simpler than with 27 countries surely that is easily demonstrated

He used the word surrender. Christ on a bike it wasn't even that bad. I've heard 10 times worse!

Mentioning Jo Cox made a lot of sense to me.
She was murdered by an extremist.
Many MPs who have taken a stand on their principles are getting violent threats.
The speaker pointed out that even JRM's children are getting verbal attacks, although women & BME MPs are getting the very worst threats.
The threats are something all MPs can relate to.
BJ & others should temper language rather than risk inspiring the crazies.
Jo Cox's fate was worth reminding everyone about. It was a real thing that happened to their recent colleague.

People literally posted memes about JRMs children. Horrible memes.

Mentioning Jo cox was pathetic.

Does anyone intend to vote FOR a party? Everyone seems to know who they want to vote against. If an election was called tomorrow I would have to seriously consider who I despise the least, rather who inspires trust and respect as a potential PM.
Not that my vote matters a tiny bit in the ridiculous FPTP system.

People literally posted memes about JRMs children. Horrible memes.

Yes, and when an MP called for ALL MPs to moderate their language on ALL sides Boris Johnson responded “humbug!”

This isn’t a “Well JRM’s children were mocked so clearly Jo 5 year old deserved that death threat” situation.

Surely the answer is for all sides to calm the fuck down and actually govern? Not engage in ridiculous tit for tat that escalates?

Surely the answer is for all sides to calm the fuck down and actually govern? Not engage in ridiculous tit for tat that escalates?

Hear hear

Cummings has just told a Labour MP to vote for a Brexit deal if he doesn't want any more death threats.

What Johnson and Cummings are doing is very, very dangerous.

And people need to get real. Labour are not going to abolish private education. The conference resolution was a general statement that even McDonnell has openly said he can't support the policy in it's current form.

The conference resolution was a general statement that even McDonnell has openly said he can't support the policy in it's current form.

So is the Labour Party lying to its faithful members when it says that policy is decided at conference, or is it lying to the public when we’re told to ignore their loony proposals? Doesn’t say much for their honesty either way, does it?

The MP shrieked across the floor that the prime minister should “moderate his language” to ensure mps could safely go about their jobs - in my opinion this is humbug

People who use the word 'shriek' when talking about how women speak need to think about their language as well.

The PM should moderate his language. He is the PM. All through the debate, his language has been about 'betray, surrender' and his speech at the dispatch box was clearly designed to divide and to target MPs who are doing their job of holding the Government to account and to ensure that any deal we get is the best for their constituents and not just any deal so we can get out.

Cummings has just told a Labour MP to vote for a Brexit deal if he doesn't want any more death threats

That's basically what Johnson was saying last night. If people vote for a deal or even accept no deal, then the death threats will stop.

He didn't once acknowledge the fear that MPs feel. Not once.

And only one Conservative MP stood up and asked him to watch what he was saying. Just one.

I know tis thread is about the Conservatives, but for anything to change Labour have GOT to get rid of Corbyn. We need a strong, modern labour party to oust the revolting excuse for a man that is Boris Johnson..I say this as a life long labour supporter. Corbyn's recent policies are insane! They are like acts of self sabotage.

Cendrillon. Conference motion was a vague outline. It still has to be reworked into something realistic and viable, and there is a lot of wiggle room in the proposal. The end result will look completely different, and even McDonnell has said as much.

You just need to stop clutching your pearls for a moment to see that the idea of abolishing private schools is patently not going to happen.

But you've made it clear that you're planning on voting for a party that is literally telling MPs that they should do what they say if they want to stop receiving death threats.

I don’t know what on Earth labour has been thinking. All they needed to do was focus on the education and the nhs for their manifesto and ignore some of the more leftie ideas. They’ve managed to alienate voters who are turned off the conservatives. I think the Lib Dems will take my area which is normally a safer than safe Tory seat but one that voted remain. I’ve not heard anyone say a good thing about BJ.

17million - what was the purpose of your video? Anyone could watch it on parliament tv online. It was quite ok for an MP who has received death threats to invoke Jo Cox as a reminder of what can happen when inflammatory language 'betrayal' 'surrender' etc is used. Johnson's response was appalling, and he has done nothing to dampen things down. He is a liar and a charlatan and clearly unfit to lead. He hasn't a clue and his rambling and repetition make Britain a laughing stock.

BJ is a philanderer and the public have no idea as to the half of it apparently. This is what I’ve been told tonight by a certain editor. Some newspaper editors are sitting on the “revelations” because they fear the scandals could help usher in a Corbyn govt. But no doubt it will all leak out soon. I give him another month or so in office, if that.

I think Boris Johnson is awful, but I have some sympathy over the Supreme Court judgment. Plenty of people beforehand thought the prorogation was legal, including Lord Sumption, an ex SC judge. The Supreme Court basically stretched a point.

And what's more, the constitutional dodgyness isn't all on Johnson's side. Parliament has supreme lawmaking power and government is responsible to it. But we don't have government by Parliament. Despite this, Parliament has been repeatedly interfering with the Government's job of negotiating Brexit. That's why Boris prorogued it, yet now he's the fall guy.

What Parliament has done is entirely legal (and I can't see how anyone could say otherwise) but it's odd and is doing constitutional damage.

Normally if Gvt can't command support in Parliament there is a general election. But Parliament won't allow one.

Parliament is just as much the problem here.

Despite this, Parliament has been repeatedly interfering with the Government's job of negotiating Brexit

Some would say that the Government should have involved Parliament, given the closeness of events and the even split across the country,

hink Boris Johnson is awful, but I have some sympathy over the Supreme Court judgment

Has anyone asked Boris Johnson why he couldn't have had a Queen's Speech in the first few weeks of September?

Why did it have to be the 14th of October?

And if the answer is - because of the conferences - then he should be asked if he thinks that Parliament would have voted for conference recess this particular year, in September, just a few weeks before Brexit day.

He knows the answer would have been no.

And for someone who says that proroguation was all about a Queen's speech, he has made the Supreme Court judgement all about Brexit.

Normally if Gvt can't command support in Parliament there is a general election. But Parliament won't allow one

Because no one trusts Johnson and no one in Opposition wants to see the country crash out with No Deal and all the social and economic effects that could lead to.

Get an extension - or a good deal that could be voted on. If it's a good deal. Then an election.

Johnson has destroyed any good will in the House. Not many people trust him.