To think that sensible conservatives will not be able to vote for boris after his recent behaviour?

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Really? After lying and shutting down democracy and his disgusting performance in parliament today. Surely you can’t vote conservative now unless you’re a very small demographic that they are seemingly targeting. Surely they will lose much of their core vote now . Most folk who vote conservative aren’t are decent, law abiding people. Boris Johnson’s behaviour surely offends the majority?

Labour plans to confiscate property, abolish private education, and devastate the economic base of this country with crippling taxes.

I'm prepared to wait for the manifesto. A lot of hot air that is spouted at party conferences never in practice sees the light of day thereafter.

"The indications are his cabinet are not happy."

if they resigned en masse, that would be helpful.

I agree that Boris is beyond appalling but I can't help thinking, his party voted for him. AFAICS they rejected TM's deals for....no reason at all?....and then they voted for him and they must have known they were getting a version of Donald Trump. Otherwise, WTAF were they doing? Or planning? Did they think we'd end up anywhere but here? It's so confusing.

I'm prepared to wait for the manifesto. A lot of hot air that is spouted at party conferences never in practice sees the light of day thereafter.

I'll bet you right now that most of it makes it in there.

I think they must be wishing they accepted mays deal now.
Stupid bastards

And even if all the mad stuff doesn’t go in the labour manifesto I don’t trust the horrible little cunt not to try and do it all later
Some decisions get made very easily and not voting labour is one of them

When I vote, which will be for the Conservatives, I won't be voting for Boris but for my local MP and for them to win the election. Frankly the alternatives are risible,

Could I be right in thinking that labour have come up with such bonkers policies because they don't want to win the election? I can't think of any other reason.

Lloyd when he first got the leadership I was pleased

now I feel like you. I think it will be a bit damaging and the reality is, it's never the super rich who end up losing anything.

I was wondering, what would happen if there was a vote of no confidence in Johnson? And would the EU accept one of the versions of the deal TM put forward?

I always said history would remember TM more kindly than the current times and I think that's showing up more every day.

I'm prepared to wait for the manifesto. A lot of hot air that is spouted at party conferences never in practice sees the light of day thereafter

V. true, i'm waiting to see if Johnsons higher rate tax cut and retirement at 75 are in there, feel free to vote Tory if they are but don't complain later on.

Plenty of very unappetising tory policies out there.

I don't think that telling people they aren't "sensible" is a very convincing argument, OP.

Those who aspire to being thought "sensible" are likely to be sensible already without requiring further guidance.

Whilst those who don't want to be sensible will already be doing what they like.

Some decisions get made very easily and not voting labour is one of them

family be picky all you want
You mean, stick to the facts? OK then.

Some decisions get made very easily and not voting labour is one of them

I would say the same about voting Conservative. I wouldn't even call it a decision - it simply wouldn't cross my mind.

if you’re not thinking about it you’re not making a decision are you June? You’re leaving your mind at home when you go to the polling station.
Always wondered how people ended up voting labour. Now I know

Always wondered how people ended up voting labour. Now I know

Aside from many of the Labour Party manifesto policies being incompatible with continued EU membership, mainly due to them potentially violating human rights and EU competition law...

(the answer from the European Court of Justice is always that such policies should be achieved by less onerous means, such as taxation).

Good for Rachel Johnson for speaking out
I feel sorry for BJ siblings.

if you’re not thinking about it you’re not making a decision are you June? You’re leaving your mind at home when you go to the polling station.
Always wondered how people ended up voting labour. Now I know

Did you mean to be so rude?

I'm not a Labour voter as it happens. I'm certainly 'not leaving my mind at home' when I go to vote. I take voting very seriously. I simply don't trust the Tory party and I don't like their policies - I never have. There would have to be a seismic shift in their outlook for me to consider it, but the current seismic shift is towards the extreme right, so no consideration necessary from my point of view.

I still wonder how people end up voting Tory.

Always wondered how people ended up voting labour.

I feel the same about people who vote Conservative.

But the alternatives are equally awful. Commy Corbyn and his lot or Jo Swinson and the liberal undemocrats!

I have always been a Conservative voter and voted for Remain at the referendum. Extremely reluctantly, I would have to vote Lib Dem at the next election. I cannot vote for Boris Johnson and this mess of a government and I cannot vote for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn. It's such a shame that in the face of the current government, any opposition should be wiping the floor with the Tories and they're not. If Corbyn was any sort of decent leader surely he'd see the writing on the wall and step down to give Labour a better chance at the next election but he won't. We're in a total mess.

‘It’s disgusting that the Prime Minister of the UK made light of a woman’s political murder.’

‘HAVE YOU SEEN THAT THE LABOUR PARTY WOULD BAN PRIVATE SCHOOLS’

Fucking Hell. Have a look at yourselves.

TottieandMarchpane I don't know what you mean about it being 'customarily' considered necessary to abide by the results of referenda/ums. There have only been three national referendums in UK history (incl. 2016), and two experiences do not make something 'customary'. In fact, it would seem that the lack of experience probably led to the botched government handling of the 2016 one, with its overly simplistic wording and very poor public information campaign, leaving the door open to the Brexiteers corrupt and mendacious campaign.

Please remember there was little passion for leaving the EU before 2016. It was not high on the agenda for many people, and as we know the referendum was held as much to sort out in-fighting in one political party as anything else.

"What do you think would happen if a PM (this one, the next one, any one) made a public address saying “We’ve decided that as it was advisory we’re just going to ignore it and forget it happened. Business as usual folks!” "
I think the lack of precision around the 2016 vote meant it would have been possible to characterise it as advisory, certainly. I think even now the government could announce an impasse, and hold a vote on the precise nature of the UK leaving. I think remaining could be part of that vote.

I think the government need to set up a proper independent referendum commission like the one in Ireland that actually tells people what they are voting for in a clear, straightforward way.
For example, when the Irish electorate voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2008, the government held another referendum with better public information - see here www.refcom.ie/previous-referendums/lisbon-treaty-2009/

“I have no choice who to vote for” is a fallacy. Yup! I have absolutely decided who I will vote for and I invite you all to join me.

When a GE is called I will look for the indepenedent, single issue, very local candidate and will vote for them.. and encourage everyone else I know to do the same!

If there is a second referendum and the choices are limited in such a way as I don't think free choice can be made, leave or remain, I will inscribe FUCK OFF across my ballot paper - petty, pointless and crude, but I can't imagine how I could do anthing else!

Actually I will probably remember why this all started, as obligations said and inscribe CAMERON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PARLIAMENT DESTROYING DEMOCRACY instead!

Asfor Labour “banning” independent schools, how will they do this exactly? Will my children be dragged from their clasdrooms? If so, where will they put them?

Presumably they won’t be squeezed into the nearest comprehensive, because these places are non-existent in this part of London. I doubt he’s going to force the teachers out either. So all I can think of is that JC is offering to cover the school fees for us out of taxpayers money?

@Turningtides I have long suspected all parties trying very hard to make themselves unelectable, purely so they don't have to sort out any of this crap! The Tories are stuck with it!

Why else would Labour publish a manifesto that reads so very much like Animal Farm?