To think that sensible conservatives will not be able to vote for boris after his recent behaviour?

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Really? After lying and shutting down democracy and his disgusting performance in parliament today. Surely you can’t vote conservative now unless you’re a very small demographic that they are seemingly targeting. Surely they will lose much of their core vote now . Most folk who vote conservative aren’t are decent, law abiding people. Boris Johnson’s behaviour surely offends the majority?

Just reading about the death threats to MPs/lawyers, police advice to certain people to install panic buttons and start wearing stab vests, and Johnson still refuses to apologise for his inflammatory words and in fact said he will still call the Benn bill the 'surrender' bill, helping loony brexiteers to characterise those who voted for it as traitors. Trying to stop a no-deal Brexit is an act of patriotism, it is quite clear where the treachery is. The rhetoric about good and bad on both sides is plain dishonest - what remainers have ever credibly threatened the lives of others?

The private education thing is so transparent. Unless the people who suggested this are completely thick, someone at some point will have said "where will the students go?" which means someone else said "oh it doesn't matter about that". Nobs.

There was also the point about university admissions for private school educated kids to be capped at 7%, the % of all kids privately educated. But 15% of A level students are privately educated....

The private school thing - heard someone outlining it on Radio 4 and the schools will stay open and pupils & teachers stay there, but they will be taken over by the Government and not charge any more. The idea is that they will be open to all, not just those that can pay. I don't know exactly how it would work but the man on the radio said it would be the same as the way private hospitals were taken over by the NHS when the NHS started.

I really can't see Labour being able to ban Private Schools in a 5 year parliament.

The PLP are very different from thenhardloners at the conference.

5 further years of an extremist right wing govt - that is truly frightening.

It’s a toss up at the moment between who is the most dangerous, Corbyn or Johnson. For me Johnson shades it with the attacks on the Judiciary, all the ‘courts shouldn’t get involved in politics’ nonsense. If the Tories go ahead with what they are currently threatening, to abolish the independent Judiciary for daring to rule against them, in favour of US style elected judges, this will threaten the very fabric of our democracy and is more dangerous than all of Corbyn’s polices combined imo. This should be a very real concern for anyone who has even a basic understanding of the separation of powers.

One thing about all this is how little the Government has worked with the other parties on this.

Theresa May ignored them. She ignored the 48%. She set her red lines, without negotiation with the other parties.
She then brought the same deal 3 times.
Then Parliament had a chance to discuss for a day or 2 some different options - the only one that won was not wanting No Deal.

Now Johnson is again ignoring the other parties in Parliament. His way or the highway.

Why can't they try to work together to see what will get through...and even involve the public more in this.

Having something imposed on you is never a good thing.

Those still planning to vote Tory, are you concerned about the attacks on the Judiciary at all?

Tory and leave voter, terrified of Corbyn and his associates. Boris is the man to take us out. He had to vote against TM deal as this would have been a worse deal than remaining... "no deal is better than a bad deal".

A conversation with a French colleague yesterday - "The EU has ruined France, the place is a disaster. Look at the 35 hour week! but Macron has a say in how the UK proceeds".

Our departure will trigger more - the EU will collapse and then we can get back together to discuss what happens next - my proposal (you can have this for free) is a common market !

Tory and leave voter, terrified of Corbyn and his associates

So what do you think of the language being used when female MPs discuss the death threats they receive and Johnson dismissing it with the words 'humbug'?

There have been calls to chuck acid over Farage, protests with axes and effifgys of theresa may head, then beheading pics of Boris Johnson

As well as threats to mps dc, but the words surrender Bill ranckle some posters the most

There are many people out there who feel unbelievabley frustrated right now. Deliver brexit.

For both sides.

As well as threats to mps dc, but the words surrender Bill ranckle some posters the most

What upsets people was the dismissal of the female MPs from Johnson about the death threats they receive with the word 'humbug;.

Not an ounce of empathy. Nothing.

Speaks volumes

Punnet, also Italy has been ruined by eu.

The only countries who have benefited in a small way are some of the former Eastern bloc countries.

Imnot it is irresponsible for any MP of either side to support No Deal when it has the potential to cause so much harm to so many.

So Brexit - fine. No Deal Brexit - NO.

Any threat or violence or actual violence is not acceptable at all, no matter what side you are on.

But one thing to note. Johnson is PM. He has a duty to every single person who lives in this country. When he invites hatred, that is different and the consequences of that most severe.

You cannot defend the indefensible.

I watched the debate last night and was shocked by his language and arrogance.
It is all deliberate though and has Dominic Cummings written all over it. He was being deliberately provocative, to provoke the opposition to call an election. Also he wants to play the people verses parliament line. The irony is he and the ERG are really not 'men of the people'. They are driven by self interest. And the sad thing is I think it might work.

I think Boris is contemptible and obviously has issues with women and with the truth.
But, I am more than a bit bemused that the focus in a recalled parliament was whether he should use the word surrender or not. He's being deliberately contentious but I have no idea how the Labour and LibDem MPs think they are in a position to lecture anyone about creating hostile atmospheres.
They've sat on their hands when some of their members have aggressively targeted women. They've refused to condemn the death threats and intimidating behaviour committed by TRAs.
They all need to look at the language they use and the company they keep. None of them are in a superior position. I'm finding their hypocrisy a bit difficult to swallow today.

Paula Sherriff did indeed say that ALL MPs should moderate their language, and ALL refrain from dangerous or inflammatory language, while taking the Prime Minister – first among equals – as the example.

Paula Sherriff (Dewsbury) (Lab):
I genuinely do not seek to stifle robust debate, but this evening the Prime Minister has continually used pejorative language to describe an Act of Parliament that was passed by this House. I am sure you would agree, Mr Speaker, that we should not resort to the use of offensive, dangerous or inflammatory language about legislation that we do not like.

We stand here, Mr Speaker, under the shield of our departed friend. Many of us in this place are subject to death threats and abuse every single day. Let me tell the Prime Minister that they often quote his words—surrender Act, betrayal, traitor—and I, for one, am sick of it. We must moderate our language, and that has to come from the Prime Minister first, so I should be interested in hearing his opinion. He should be absolutely ashamed of himself. [Applause.]

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2019-09-25/debates/AD2A07E5-9741-4EBA-997A-97776F80AA38/PrimeMinisterSUpdate

It is these words to which Johnson replied:

I have to say that I have never heard such humbug in all my life.

Depressing. I'm getting totally hacked off with thick people in this country. If they read then it's The Mail or The Sun with an average reading age of 9. People are knee jerk. 'I'm confused and ignorant so I'm going to vote for the man with the poshest voice'. 'Corbyn must be a Marxist because everything in The Telegraph is true'!

the EU will collapse

Yeah, you reckon.

There is a whole other life outside these shores, and the UK is not indispensable to proceedings. More like a spoilt child having tantrums. What a spectacle we are.

Anyone who would still vote for Johnson after the last few days, has either not been paying attention or has a badly skewed moral compass.
I also can't believe anyone thinks what Corbyn, of whom I am no particular fan, might do to the country is somehow scarier than the complete hell that Cummings and his lapdog have planned.

Anyone who would still vote for Johnson after the last few days, has either not been paying attention or has a badly skewed moral compass.
I also can't believe anyone thinks what Corbyn, of whom I am no particular fan, might do to the country is somehow scarier than the complete hell that Cummings and his lapdog have planned

True

I hope Theresa May is enjoying her whisky and country walks. I know I would be.

CentrillonSings I'm willing to bet you are one of the rich privileged few, labour talk about. Worried about your self and your money, couldn't give a fuck about anyone else even the most vulnerable who are truly duffering. Tory through and through. Congratulations.

what was really said in the HOC by whom and when - not the biased media version (looking at you SKY and the BBC)