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Children should be locked up and never heard

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LittleBlueBag · 20/09/2019 15:33

I'm a single mother and today went to a large out of town store with my toddler twins who are almost 3. Too old for the pram and eager to explore.
I was paying for an item at the till and one of the twins was looking at a mug. He touched it but it remained on the hook. The other twin was happy playing with a car from the store.
They were being loud but were excited. A staff member who must of just finished her shift and was behind me waiting to pay for an item told me the children were very naughty and we should not be allowed out in public if I can't control them. She said they're behaviour is awful and just made me feel really shitty about myself.
They are a handful and can be naughty but just normal toddler behaviour.
I must of turned my back on them for a split second. It's impossible to carry them both.
So wise mumnetters? Are my children really that bad?
I did complain to the manager but I was so ashamed.

OP posts:
Agitetur · 20/09/2019 19:23

You say it’s fine for kids to mess around with whatever they like in a store
Who said that out of interest?

Ravingstarfish · 20/09/2019 19:24

It’s called ‘parenting’ it means you don’t let your toddlers grab and play and do whatever they want in a shop. Take the item off them, say no, move them out of reach, apologise for them instead of saying ‘kids will be kids’ is it really that authoritarian to expect parents to actually parent their kids.

SmoothLawAbider · 20/09/2019 19:25

You say it’s fine for kids to mess around with whatever they like in a store, where do you draw the line? Is it okay for kids to mess with a stranger’s belongings then? Where’s the boundary?

It's definitely somewhere between unpackaged toys left at toddler-height in a shop and strangers' belongings.

PurpleDaisies · 20/09/2019 19:28

MrsNotNice your behaviour on this thread has been utterly disgraceful. Have you missed the posts from all the parents criticising the op? Why on earth would you choose to pick on someone because of their infertility? Disgusting.

Agitetur · 20/09/2019 19:28

Depends on what you call parenting,it’s a broad and contentious definition
For some people, parenting includes physical chastisement and is based on strict rules
For others parenting is situational and there is negotiation
So it’s to simplistic to reduce it to “parenting”

SinkGirl · 20/09/2019 19:33

What’s absolutely disgusting is the laying into the OP - her twins were not “running amok” FFS. And anyone who judges her or me or anyone else struggling with two toddlers with additional needs despite having experienced neither should be ashamed frankly because you have absolutely no idea what it’s like.

Mabelface · 20/09/2019 19:35

Look. I have triplets. They weren't allowed to fiddle with stuff nor run around excited in shops when they were small. If you have fiddlers, stick them back in the buggy and every time, use eyes, not fingers when they fiddle. Yes, I know it's not easy with multiples, but you're the one to teach them right and wrong.

Drogosnextwife · 20/09/2019 19:39

They were being loud but were excited.

Code for I can't control them so leave them to it.

PurpleDaisies · 20/09/2019 19:42

And anyone who judges her or me or anyone else struggling with two toddlers with additional needs despite having experienced neither should be ashamed frankly because you have absolutely no idea what it’s like.

There was absolutely no mention of the additional needs in the opening post. We didn’t get that until page 5. I think a lot of posters would have been much more sympathetic with that information.

SinkGirl · 20/09/2019 19:43

It’s on page one
They are very behind with their communication due to being prem and don't really talk or communicate well.

Sleepyblueocean · 20/09/2019 19:49

Ds was usually in an sn buggy but still managed to get things off shelves using his hands ( or feet) with zero understanding that he shouldn't do that.

twinmum85 · 20/09/2019 19:49

To be honest, whether the OP was right or wrong in the way she handled the situation I still think it is incredibly unkind to say to someone 'you shouldn't be out in public' Sad

RandomComment · 20/09/2019 19:52

Be a decent parent and look after your kids so they won’t turn out to be some twats that annoy other people.

PurpleDaisies · 20/09/2019 19:53

sink I must have scrolled straight past that one.

I wonder if a lot of posters haven’t spotted that the children have additional needs and are just responding to the op.

Venger · 20/09/2019 19:53

Be a decent parent and look after your kids so they won’t turn out to be some twats that annoy other people.

So children with SN are twats that annoy everyone?

MrsNotNice · 20/09/2019 20:34

PurpleDaisies

Thanks for your advice. I’m not feeling great laying into someone like that, which is why you shouldn’t also turn a blind eye to people laying into the OP like that. She is equally worthy of some empathy and kindness.

I did NOT single her out for infertility issues. I singled her out because I recognise her surname from a recent exchange on a thread where she complained that once people become parents they become sneery and into their own club and display no empathy to their friendships that don’t involve children.

She managed to get me to reflect on my ways as I did alienate few friends and I had explained the reason, that they were very judgemental of my parenting based on theory and not very empathetic about my struggles.. I managed to remember from this thread that I need to not judge my childfree friends and realise they might be going into their own struggles which I don’t recognise.

And this happened to be a live example for me to point that out.. that there is double standards.

I don’t usually like singling people out, but I do think it’s fair, in this circumstance. When a struggling OP was being laid into and Pp took her chance. Unfortunately for her I recognised her because I’m still reflecting on her advice...

And no, I don’t think it’s ok to ever be judgemental. Even if you are a parent. Each child is different and each parent is different. It’s never ok to not have empathy and be unkind. The OP has been receiving unkind put downs. Everyone who did that is unkind. And if I recognise any of those mothers complaining about their struggles with motherhood in other threads, I would probably also think it’s fair to confront them about their double standards. Frankly.

I had infertility issues for years. I’m just not a judgemental person though. I knew that having no kids of my own makes me no expert.. even though I was teaching children of nursery age and above.. but that experience was not the same as being a tired parent who needs support.

So frankly, to all the appologists.. no, you absolutely do learn on the job when you are a parent. And you absolutely can’t judge a parent... even if you are a parent.. but more so if you aren’t.

What you can judge though is that you are annoyed by the noise and find it intimidating and want the parent to control that. But don’t go acting like a parent deserves unkindness just because you don’t agree with her style or because she was too tired to do the right thing.

I absolutely wouldn’t let my child play with fragile things in a shop. Consciously. But I have been tired before and been less than perfect. Happens. If someone comes telling me I shouldn’t be allowed in public I would tel them to frankly piss off.

onemorerose · 20/09/2019 20:44

My kids act like they’ve never been in a shop before when they go to a big shopping complex. For that reason I don’t take them very often but that just makes them more excited when they do go. If anyone berated us for them being excited I’d think they were judgemental and joyless tbh

RussianDolls · 20/09/2019 20:48

I feel for the OP here and I just cannot believe that she is getting a pasting from some posters. Clearly they are all perfect parents with perfect lives and cannot accept that some people are not perfect like them. That shop assistant was very rude and she is the one that should be ashamed of herself.

Also the posters that are giving her a hard time should also be ashamed. Would any of you say that to the OPs face. I doubt it.

FrauHaribo · 20/09/2019 20:52

Clearly they are all perfect parents with perfect lives and cannot accept that some people are not perfect like them.

If not allowing your kids to touch and play with items on display in a shop makes someone a perfect parent, you have pretty low standards.

One minute it's a mug, the next it's food in the supermarket - in real life no one finds it cute.

RussianDolls · 20/09/2019 21:00

@FrauHaribo

You have been one of the most judgmental posters on this thread. If you know how to be a proper parent why don’t you give people advice instead.

It was already mentioned that her twins have additional needs. Cut her some slack

Sallyseagull · 20/09/2019 21:01

I have a 'spirited' child. I'm not saying this is the case with the OP's children, and there are some things I dont agree with that she has stated, but I think shes getting a bit of an unfair beating here.

It really does make me laugh when people say it's pretty simple to get a toddler to not touch things, or not run away.... try telling that to my kid.

RussianDolls · 20/09/2019 21:03

I also have a spirited child. I would have loved to know how to get him to stand still. Short of tying him up it was very difficult

Ayemama · 20/09/2019 21:09

So it was ok for a random stranger to come up to a lone woman in public and give her abuse and criticise her parenting after observing for all of 5 minutes?
OP if this ever happens again tell them to F OFF and mind their own business.

Kids being naughty all the time isn't normal
But it doesn't sound like OP's kids were being naughty.
Being curious and noisy is part of toddlerhood and who can honestly say that their toddler has never touched something they shouldn't?
I have two toddlers, almost 3 and 1 and understand how much work it is to take them out in public. It's 10 times harder then just having one toddler.
Some of the replies on here are ridiculous!

littlemeitslyn · 20/09/2019 21:37

Hell of a lot of shops have queues

SuperSleepyBaby · 20/09/2019 21:46

I like children to have a bit of spirit and a sense of mischief, although not if it impacts negatively on other people.

I was way too obedient and anxious to be good as a child and it did me no favours at all and made for a boring life.

The OP’s children sound happy and like normal toddlers.

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