To feel uncomfortable with regards to Drag?

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Am I the only one who feels uncomfortable with Drag?

AIUI Drag came about because women's roles were originally played by men on the stage, and from there it's evolved to have pantomime dames, which is a caricature of women. Drag has now become an art form, a performance, with programmes like RuPaul's Drag Race showing how popular it is, but at it's core it's still a caricature, it's still a parody of women, and it's gaudy, brash and the wit and put downs waspish!

I can't help but feel a bit uncomfortable about it all, maybe it's something I'm reading too much into, but effectively it's men aping women in a very unattractive way (and I'm not just talking the make up here).

Anyone else feel the same? Or should I just embrace it and get over myself?

A Calvinistic puritanical world of unfun

What does this even mean?

It's not mocking or disrespectful of women in any way. *

Yet so many women on this thread beg to disagree.

it's absolutely not meant to be representative of cis women. Let people have a nice time.

The fact you are using 'cis woman' is also offensive.

Let people have a nice time, ladies. Don't be mean to the menz.

Yep women being told 'be quiet, don't voice your discomfort and don't stop the men from having their fun'.

Same shit different day.

cis women

Or women, as we prefer to be called. Seeing as that's what we are.

As soon as a poster uses the nonsense term cis to describe actual women, I can’t trust anything they say. It just gives a tone of dishonesty and gaslighting.

“Funnily enough...no-one claims that pretending to be Black or Indian is artistic, funny or a "tribute".”

Well race isn’t an artificial social construct that changes according to the mores of whatever time and place it exists in, whereas gender is, hth

Well race isn’t an artificial social construct

Errrr

Ethnicity is a biological reality like sex

Yanbu

Plus cis isn’t welcome just women is fine.

Or are you saying it isn’t?

Afro hair, melanin in skin and sickle cell anaemia are not the same thing as high heels wigs and bras, not sure what’s so confusing really

I wonder how well a woman doing a stereotype of a really 'blokey' man would go down ?

Of all the threads on here bemoaning that young folk now are confused about the difference between gender and sex, seems weird to suddenly join in with that just because it suits a particular agenda but hey whatever 🤷🏻‍♀️

Ethnicity is a biological reality like sex

Ethnicity & genetic diversity, yes. Race? You'll struggle to find enough science to back up the claim that it's biological/empirical.

Still not sure why it's ok to caricature women though?

@chomalungma there is a drag king cabaret where i live that has plenty of that, it goes down a storm

Is it caricaturing women or femininity/gender roles though? Because as we hear so often they are two quite discrete things.

Is it caricaturing women or femininity/gender roles though?

You think they might be caricaturing men?

I thought the common view on here was that gender non-conforming needs to be accepted (e.g. boys wearing dresses) as that's part of what is driving the whole trans explosion - i.e. you must actually be a girl if you're gender NC.

Drag kings certainly caricature masculinity, but that wasn’t my question. Do you understand that being female and being feminine are two different things?

I thought the common view on here was that gender non-conforming needs to be accepted (e.g. boys wearing dresses)
Several pages ago the comment was made that David Bowie looks gorgeous in a dress. Not quite the same as drag is it?

I wonder how well a woman doing a stereotype of a really 'blokey' man would go down?

You mean like many lesbians do?

Do you understand that being female and being feminine are two different things?

Yes, I think can grasp that. Are you saying that drag is nothing to do with women?

You mean like many lesbians do

In the context of a drag king at a club doing a really blokey male stereotype along with all the associated behaviour...

A real charicature.

What drag are you familiar with @Dutch1e? Just out of interest. dame edna and lily savage are different to bianca del rio who is different again from courtney act who is different again from cheddar gorgeous

Etc

Suggesting drag is one homogenous mass is a bit like saying ‘plays at the theatre’ but not really being any more specific than that

In the context of a drag king at a club doing a really blokey male stereotype along with all the associated behaviour...

I'm fairly masculine and it wouldn't bother me one bit. I'm not convinced it would bother really blokey blokes either as they tend to be pretty thick skinned on the whole.