Am I missing something? Its the EU that don't want to do a deal, not the UK so why all the flack to Boris?

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Am I naïve? Am I interpreting this right? I'm so sick and tired of the whole thing, but isn't it the EU that are playing silly buggers in their petulance? Boris is trying to do a deal.

Yet everyone is blasting HIM.

BTW I voted remain but accepted the result and just want it all over and done with, plus the attitude of Brussels and remOANERS,- not Remainers who accept result -has been abysmal .

I am not a fan of Boris BTW but he seems to know what to do. Or have I had my head stuck in the sand for the last 3 years?

Please be gentle, no bun fights, a sensible discussion please,

Anyone else think this is one of Johnson’s advisors trying to gauge the public mood?

Lol. Maybe.
Well he can report back the public can see through him.

I doubt it LeNil

The OP seems to have a longish posting history involving some really unpleasant comments.

Shame really because this thread has had some interesting discussion

"Am I naïve?" Yes

"Am I interpreting this right?" No

There IS A deal that TM thrashed out and eu agreed to. But too many MPs are refusing to accept that no deal will suit everyone so a deal that suits the majority is better than none!

Quite frankly I find it hard to believe you voted remain and don't vote Tory.

Johnson is not stupid but IS behaving appallingly cowardly and ineffectually! He's an utter embarrassment!

What makes you think he seems to know what to do? He knows what he WANTS to do and he knows what he CAN do but he is being petulant and stubborn in refusing to do what he NEEDS to do - which is to bring unification and sense to the whole matter. Instead he's throwing tantrums and running away from being held accountable!

It's the uk want to leave not the eu! It is not the eu's responsibility to come up with a deal - they are negotiating for the benefit of their (what will be) remaining members which is what they are supposed to do. Our govt are supposed to negotiate on our behalf to our benefit - and not just on leavers behalves either because what seems to be largely forgotten is that it was a VERY close vote and a hell of a lot of people DON'T want to leave.

I'm a Remainer and while I'd prefer not to leave at all a sensible deal cautiously implemented and not rushed would have been fine with me (and I suspect a large number of other Remainers) but oh no!

Instead compounding the error of calling the ref with ZERO prep for the possibility of leave in whatever form with triggering art 50 with STILL doing ZERO prep!

If you were to work for a company and the company decided to no longer use a MAJOR supplier upon whom the very function of the business depended would they do it with no preparation? Would they just cancel the contract HOPING that another supplier would provide the item at the same quality and price (or cheaper) and delivery terms? Of course not! They'd speak to the alternative suppliers and find out what terms they'd likely get, check the quality of the product, ensure all factors acceptable and even IF they decided to leave original supplier they'd give a notice period, formalise the new contract with the new supplier before the end of the notice period with an agreed start date and ensure all the necessary organisation to facilitate that change was in place. In this scenario such a change (only 2 parties involved one item being supplied) takes MONTHS!

Withdrawing from the eu involves directly 28 parties, indirectly 195 and millions if not billions of items!

How much copy and paste do you remairners need.

ColcanionSteamArtillery

“I'm no good with hints.grin”

Our own Government has thoughtfully saved the EU the trouble of undermining the UK Parliament, by shutting it down.
Led by the man, voted for by less than 0.5% of the electorate, who repeatedly spouted about Parliament “taking back control” during his sunny uplands tour.

Yes you are being naive, taking what Boris says at face value. The EU aren't playing silly buggers, they are doing exactly what they said they would do from the beginning. They aren't having strops and pretending to be superheroes and generally behaving like over indulged toddlers.

Ohflippineck

Thank you. Id have a good ole fashioned argument any day over a thinly veiled personal attack (squeezed tightly under the threasehold for deletion).

Im not a huge supporter of Boris and his prorogation Either. That said in three years Parliment haven't achieved anything but have their say, something has to change. If Parliament can't rule someone has too, I'd rather it wasnt the EU.

That said in three years Parliment haven't achieved anything but have their say, something has to change

It's very difficult to achieve something when the Government imposed strict red lines from the start and refused to involved the entire Houses of Parliament from the start in cross party talks when it was obvious that the country and the House was divided down the middle.

And the same deal was brought back 3 times.

Something has changed. Boris has lost his majority. We are living in different times where the House finally has control.

And so Boris shuts down Parliament. Because he is scared of not being in control.

Of course the country was split down the middle. But we did have a referendum.

Those Red lines were many of the reason why out won the referendum. The WA was (mostly) a very careful compromise, on both sides.

We are living in different times where the House finally has control.

And all theyv'e managed to do with that control is prolong the deadlock by banning no deal and blocking an election

He was a real coward not going ahead with the press conference in belgium. He looked like the pantomime article that he is. He said to the British journalist ''but I'll talk to you!'' as though that will go any way towards finding an agreement.

He’s a coward. He’s a liar. He’s totally ineffectual. He’s ruthless. He cares for nothing but his own ego.

He’s got absolutely nowhere with this brexit fiasco.

People should be protesting on the streets to get rid of him.

All he’s good at are sound bites for the red tops to rally the hard of thinking. That’s his entire skill set.

The hard of thinking. Wow arrogance on an epic scale.

Cor blimey smile us plebs know our place.

Incandescent- except that every brexit thread shows it to be true. People who think most of the world trades only on WTO rules. People who think a hard brexit will 'get things over with'. People who don't have a clue what Brexit will mean for the peace process in Northern Ireland and care even less. People who can't be arsed to do even the most basic of reading by actual experts (legal, economic, political - take your pick) on what all this is going to mean for our jobs and industries. People who think that 'you lost, remoaners, get over it' constitutes an argument. People who don't know that representative democracy doesn't mean 'MPs have to do whatever their constituents happen to want that week'. I would love to think this was about informed differences of opinion. Every thread on here suggests otherwise.

The hard of thinking. Wow arrogance on an epic scale.

If you believe the sound bites he’s coming out with then you are hard of thinking.

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The EU have offered the UK:

Full membership of the EU with reduced fees - rejected by the UK

Single market membership - rejected by the UK

Customs union membership - rejected by the UK

Norway style deal - rejected by the UK

Switzerland style deal - rejected by the UK

Northern Ireland alignment style deal - rejected by the UK

Whole of UK alignment style deal (as requested by the UK) - rejected by the UK

But apparently the UK want a deal and it's the EU who are playing silly buggers and being petulant.

I find it ironic that the only thing parliament has found a majority to vote in favour of is a veto against no deal. However, if they won’t vote in favour of the current WA and won’t vote in favour of anything else, surely we deserve facto go no deal?!

@smile Don’t misunderstand me-I agree that no deal would be total shit storm but to avoid it MPs have to be more collaborative in coming to a deal they can all live with. Voting no to everything isn’t getting us anywhere!