Am I missing something? Its the EU that don't want to do a deal, not the UK so why all the flack to Boris?

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Am I naïve? Am I interpreting this right? I'm so sick and tired of the whole thing, but isn't it the EU that are playing silly buggers in their petulance? Boris is trying to do a deal.

Yet everyone is blasting HIM.

BTW I voted remain but accepted the result and just want it all over and done with, plus the attitude of Brussels and remOANERS,- not Remainers who accept result -has been abysmal .

I am not a fan of Boris BTW but he seems to know what to do. Or have I had my head stuck in the sand for the last 3 years?

Please be gentle, no bun fights, a sensible discussion please,

So an official source like the referendum leaflet sent to every home was a lie?

Yes.

When the referendum bill went through the Lords the need for a supermajority was ruled out on the basis of this being an advisory referendum.

OP, if you're going to expect to be taken seriously, don't use words like 'Remoaner'. It makes you sound like a teenage edgelord who posts on 4chan. Would you like it if I called you a gammon?

Fucking hell, I despair.

Good to know, thanks for sharing.

are you for real? Membership of the EU relies on acceptance of their terms, they've never dressed this up and it's not them being petulant to have stayed this over and over. The deal May negotiated was as good as it was ever going to get.

Bojo is hurtling us towards a no deal because he's too much of a wuss to even speak to them- if you think that's a good thing then I'd seriously question why you voted remain in the first place?

Anyone who thinks that adding trade barriers to 50% of all our country's trade is a good idea is frankly a bit of a moron. That's what Brexiters don't seem to grasp whatsoever

*stated

If the referendum had been binding it would have been overturned and rerun due to the massive level of illegal activity around it.

It was not binding
so has not had to be re run

I've read the first 100 posts (and I'll go back and read the rest of them after I post this):

There is a deal.
It is called the Withdrawal Agreement.
It has an insurance policy called the Northern Ireland Backstop that the DUP don't like (as it would mean that NI might get treated differently to the rest of the UK if it is ever implemented)
The EU has NEVER changed their position - it is the Withdrawal Agreement (WA) or nothing.
The UK, even though they were party to the negotiating of the WA, don't like the WA.

There is an agreement, There is a deal on the table. It is the UK (probably held back by the DUP but there you go) that don't want it.

While the UK huffs and puffs (and BJ does a lot of huffing and puffing and blathering and not answering a question directly but faffs around and uses big words that he hopes no one asks him about), the rest of the EU is preparing for a no deal exit on 31st October.
I don't know what, if any preparations the UK has made but it is looking more and more like it is up shit creek without a paddle.

It is indeed good to know stuff, yes. And it's also good not to believe everything you read, especially if it comes from a politician.

And I despair because of people's credulity about Tory claims of milk-and-honey-forevermore after we leave the EU, and stupidity in not acquainting themselves with the VERY basics of our political and economic situation as a nation, our lives are quite likely going to be poorer, meaner and narrower for decades to come. That's quite a good reason to despair.

And I despair because of people's credulity about Tory claims

I have never voted Tory HTH

Get lost...

I'm Not getting into the whole brexit shit agin but I will say that to cancel a conference ( or whatever it was) because you were booed and heckled is seriously immature for the person leader who is suppost to take us out of Europe.

Well in that case why did you fall hook line and sinker for a hard-right tory project?!

I'm Not getting into the whole brexit shit agin

Get lost...

Quality debate is not dead.

Three years is long enough for the government to sort this shit out but as usual British politicians have don't do anything but sit on their arses and argue with each other like a bunch of toddlers and then take holidays and collect massive pay checks( that they have voted on to retain )

family just sick and tired of all the brexit shit. It's been three damn long years .

Well in that case why did you fall hook line and sinker for a hard-right tory project?!

I was simply pointing out although it's technically correct the referendum was advisory, a pretty strong commitment was made to honour the result. Obviously it's clear that what the government actually meant when they said they would implement whatever we decided they meant "as long as it's remain". Would remain supporters have highlighted the advisory nature of the referendum if remain had won I wonder?

BTW

metro.co.uk/2019/02/11/im-a-millennial-left-wing-feminist-who-voted-leave-and-im-far-from-alone-8519507/

The point is that there was never going to be a deal that would satisfy the ERG, the DUP, the majority of moderate sensible MPs, and the EU. It didn't exist and will never exist. So it's not that the government didn't want to implement brexit, it's that the whole project was doomed to failure because there was never any consensus amongst leavers about what brexit actually was. Like I said, it was a cipher for a wildly diverse set of ideas. Some might have been sensible but most involved fantasies of little England ruling the waves that paid no heed to political or economic realities. Saying that brexit 'won' and leave 'lost' is meaningless rhetoric because after three years you can't define what winning would even look like.

(and please don't say 'hard brexit'. There was never a mandate for that and the polls clearly suggest that there isn't one now.)

That article illustrates exactly what I mean. She might like to get 'Lexit' but she isn't going to get it. Hard brexit will mean a bonfire of regulations and other countries swooping in to feed off the spoils. Bye-bye NHS, bye-bye worker protections. Her bedfellows in the ERG don't give a damn about Lexit, they have their eye on Singapore-style capitalism in tooth and claw!

I have no idea what that rag article is supposed to show. It was slewed with unsupportable bollocks in the first paras, so I didn't read further.

It's probs available on a Wetherspoons notice board.

I think it is yet more evidence that most Brexiters don't have a very firm grasp of geopolitical reality, whether or not they also identify as an avocado-scoffing 'left-wing millennial'.

Honestly, OP, you clearly don't have the first idea what is going on politically. I would stay out of it if I were you, and maybe don't bother voting either.

I understand that a number of quitlings want a no deal Brexit.
If that is the case they have no understanding how the world works. They are wishing upon themselves (unless they are very rich) and others a disastrous outcome.
Don’t these quitlings understand that a no deal Brexit is a bad, bad, bad thing and virtually no one will not be affected.