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LOL at Bojo's big Euro appearance. He ran away. The euro minister was alone at the 2 podiums. He is an utter disgrace we should all be ashamed of him. AIBU to say he's a bloody embarrassment?

@Hester54 you’ve now suggested that the crowd were organised by the EU ’they certainly stuffed The U.K. government up there’ and that the protesters were paid to be there ’rent a crowd’
What makes you conclude this? They are people who disagree with Johnson’s stance. There are very good reasons for them to do so. Your justification that ’he’s only doing his job for the majority of voters ( who voted )’ doesn’t really hold water either, as the Leave campaign we’re very clear that there would be a deal - it would be the easiest one in history, in fact, so there’s no way all the 17.4 million voted for no deal.

cardibach I wouldn’t put it past them or people in the remain camp, I would imagine he does want a deal, the one TM negotiated was rejected 3 times by Parliament, so surly the EU can see that it needs to change or it will be no deal

This is an event that can be viewed 2 ways.

1. Boris is incapable of giving decent speeches in front of indifferent or hostile crowds so simply didn't bother to try. Lazy and irresponsible.

1. Boris wasn't going to get a fair hearing so chose to walk away on his own terms. Strong and in control.

The way you view it is going to partly depend what your basic view on a hard Brexit is.

But it won't be no deal now as the law says we cannot leave without a deal.

And why would the EU renegotiate? No deal hurts us far more than it hurts them.

No hewill not last, I’ve always said he will either resign, saying he can’t get a deal he’s happy with or he will leave with no deal and resign ( not wanting to hang around to deal with the ramifications)

The EU has said it will look at new proposals put forward by BJ's government. They just need to write some down.

surly the EU can see that it needs to change
Why don’t leavers ever get this. The EU is protecting its members - as it should. This deal is the only one which does not compromise its pillars. We said we were leaving. It isn’t the EU’s job to make us happy. They have told us what works for them, the ball is now in our court. Accept that or don’t accept it. It isn’t, and never will be, the EU’s fault if this goes badly for the UK (which it will unless we revoke).

What I find rather remarkable about this ongoing shitshow is that his main advisor Dominic Cummings was heralded as a genius and this whole shit show is actually a very clever game of 4D chess. It doesn't take a political science graduate to clearly see the government's lack of strategy, focus and indeed planning. A few days ago team BoJo briefed that they were having discussions with the EU on alternatives to the backstop. Lo-and-behold the EU has categorically said the UK hasn't presented any solutions. It's going to be a car crash. And the shortest premiership in history.

British migrants in the EU have been totally abandoned by their government. Damn right they were there booing him. Their jobs, homes, healthcare, pensions etc are all in jeopardy and the government don't give a shit. So there he was, the PM of their country, in the country they reside in, not prepared to meet them, not prepared to talk to them, not prepared to hear their concerns but quite happy to spaff their futures up the wall. And if he came here to where I live, we'd all be booing him to.

Venger They are not, so regardless of the law, we will have to leave with no deal, if no extension requested or given

ImNotYourGranny So the EU couldn’t say that all existing U.K. in the EU will be treated the same as before Brexit? It’s all the U.K. Parliaments fault

Yes it's all the UK's fault. Brexit is 100% down to the UK, nobody else. We didn't vote for it. The EU didn't vote for it. Trying to shift blame onto others is pathetic. Own your shit! Britain created this mess and can't even be fucked to take care of own its own citizens.

So the EU couldn’t say that all existing U.K. in the EU will be treated the same as before Brexit?
Seriously, @Hester54? UK citizens in the EU are treated as they are because they are also EU citizens. After Brexit they won’t be. The EU is not in a position to treat everyone from around the world as a citizen, why should they make an exception for UK citizens?

Surely protecting its member also means getting deal that works for both sides?

cardibach if they feel that strongly for the UK citizens, why wouldn’t they make an exception, perhaps they don’t want too

I reckon Steph McGovern had it right, apology or not.

ImNotYourGranny it’s in the EU hands to let us go with out a deal, why do you keep moaning ?

Granny I totally disagree.

The eu was a very hard sell during the campaign. It was all about project fear and there was no real solid positive argument given for the the eu.

We couldn't say we are safer in the eu because actually the 5 eyes etc is stronger, we give so much intelligence to them, smaller countries won't have same level of sophistication and any info passed onto them could be leaked anywhere. Eu isn't interested in keeping people safe.

Money! Well it was pushed during debates, thank goodness we didn't joined the euro, its disaster, destroying economies like Italy, counties are stuck and can't take measures that benefit them.

Socially... Again pretty much a disaster except for small amount of people, politically disaster, far right flourishing.
What are the positives..it's to large for parity and yet that is what it needs for success but that means closer union

There was very little good stuff to say so saying its our fault we left no. Its the eu fault for doing everything first without putting proper measures into place.

I’m a massive remainer and even I have to think that what happened here was bad from the Luxembourg PM

@ChocChocButtons no definitely not been stalking your posts. I just notice things when I read posts and replies and I've seen your replies.

I have a life but thank you for you encouragement to go and get one...

if they feel that strongly for the UK citizens @Hester54 why should they feel strongly for UK citizens? They do at the moment as at the moment we are also EU citizens. When we aren’t anymore why do you think the Eu should have extra regard for us? Is it because we are ‘special’? I know Brexiters generally think we are, but we aren’t. We really aren’t. Once we are out, we are just in the group marked ‘notEU citizens’ like everyone else.
September I think you misunderstand negotiations. No, it’s not the role of the EU to get a good deal for both sides, just the side they are negotiating for.

Hester54, because 26 other countries would have to agree to making the UK an exception. What with the UK being so accommodating and polite in its dealings with bloody foreigners who just won't do what they're told I predict they won't be queuing up for us. What do you think?

Wear with pride....

@Septembersunrays Its the eu fault for doing everything first without putting proper measures into place I assume here you aren’t talking about Brexit but about the organisation of the EU as that is what your post seems to be about.
You do realise that as far as that is concerned we are the EU? We were an influential member. Decisions made were made with our agreement. Brexiters often fail to grasp this and see the EU as some sort of foreign power - I think that’s the source of a lot of the issues. It isn’t.