To think Sam Smith is being ridiculous?

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For asking to be called they/them?

It is extremely harmful and has very real repercussions.

Notwithstanding that the whole trans/non-binary mindset focuses on regressive stereotypes and puts women at risk, the grammatical nonsense could also have a real impact on day to day situations.

Imagine a scenario where a person has fallen in a river. "They fell in" -- do the emergency services think that there are a number of people potentially drowning, or a singular individual who needs their attention? Do we waste time explaining that 'they' is actually 'he', but is non-binary, all the while the self-obsessed person is drowning away?

Sam Smith a man. He may not like it, but there's not much he can do about it. I am not willing to mangle the English language to placate a sexist, self-absorbed has-been.

YANBU. I know parents who will not tell anyone the sex of their baby and insist everyone refers to them with they/them pronouns... Absolutely ridiculous, the worlds gawn mad.

Imagine a scenario where a person has fallen in a river. "They fell in" -- do the emergency services think that there are a number of people potentially drowning, or a singular individual who needs their attention?

OK. I have no time for Smith's shenanigans, but this is nonsense. If you don't know the person who has fallen in, and are merely an observer who is reporting the incident, it is highly likely that you will be unaware of the sex of the one in need of rescue. And d'you know what pronoun you'd use in that situation - as would the emergency services team? 'He-or-she'? Nope.

Don't forget Margaret Thatcher "we are a grandmother"

Totally ridiculous. Arrogant idiot. If he can't handle 'he', then he will have to suffice with people constantly using proper nouns when referring to him. For eg. 'Sam Smith went to the shops today, Sam Smith bought a bag of common sense. Sam Smith returned the bag for a refund'. Or he accepts the correct pronoun for non-gendered things which would be 'it'. "I saw Sam Smith today. It seemed happy".

World is slowly turning itself inside out. I pity the next generation inheriting so much bloody nonsense and I am scared to death for girls. Their rights are going down the pan.

He’s just doing it to sell music.... ignore him, hopefully he will go away.

Publicity stunt from someone who hasn't had a hit in a while.

I got deleted so I feel I should explain myself less flippantly because I don't want anyone to think I was discriminatory. I will, however be just as dismissive.

Sam Smith cannot feel what it is like to be male or female. He can only feel what it is like to be Sam Smith. Whoever he feels he is, is not my issue. What I object to is the idea that "female" as a gender is an objective, defined construct that can either be aspired to or mysoginistically dismissed.

Margaret Thatcher was using the Royal we because she thought she was a monarch. This Stan Smith guy is being very very silly and irritating.

Deliberate error. Maybe he will next imagine he is a retro style tennis shoe.

I don't understand why folk don't just identify as royalty and demand to be known as your highness.

He's an attention-seeking twerp. Most people are 'non binary' to some degree. What a load of rubbish.

some of these comments remind me of how some people used to laugh, mock , deride, stigmatise, various conditions in the dim ignorant past, eg epilepsy, leaning difficulties, being gay/bisexual, stammering, tics, tremors, other races/ religions.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with comparing this to racism, epilepsy. They're physical things. Your race is physical, epilepsy is physical, stammering is physical. You cannot physically be neither male or female. You're one or the other, it's a fact and it has been since the dawn of time.

This whole thing is just getting out hand, and it's women who are going to suffer. Men who 'feel like women', whatever the fuck that means, are on the right track to getting better women's rights than physical women. It's not hateful to express concern or worry, but anyone who tries it gets shouted down and branded a 'phobic'.

I think its just silly. If a man wants to become a woman or woman become a man i fully support that. But all this im not he or she im it or they is personally just attention seeking. I think hes seen how much fame jeffery star has and he sometimes calls himself a alien so sam smiths jumping on that.

He's doing this purely to seek attention and to boost his flagging career. Nobody gives a monkeys whether he sees himself as "non binary" or not. Its an utter irrelevance and the rest of us simply don't care. His gender identity is up to him but why does he feel the need to announce it to the world. Publicity stunt? I think so.

If a man wants to become a woman or woman become a man i fully support that.

How does a man become a woman exactly? Bearing in mind, it is impossible

Honestly? I can't get worked up about a pronoun. If Sam Smith wants to be known as they/them, fair enough. Has no effect on my life whatsoever.

It is their choice but I can't get my head around it. Maybe because I identify as a female and physically present as a female so I am a she.

Unless your are trans surely you should be able to be called her or she depending on which ever genitalia you have. I think it's slightly over the top being called they.

He is a man that likes dressing up and being flamboyant. There’s nothing wrong with that if that’s what floats your boat but that doesn’t make him female. I wish men would stop equating women as someone who is simply and only, a person who wears makeup, dresses, high heels and loves to swish their limbs whilst shouting ‘you go girl!’. If you are a man who likes these things then you are a man who likes these things. I don’t think I’ve seen any transgender or non binary people who look and act like me. No makeup, rarely in a dress, very unflamboyant! Why is it unacceptable for a male psyche to be fabulous without equating it with a very unrealistic picture of what most women are? Why do real women have to be suppressed again for these caricatures who have male privilege through and through but think they know what it is like to be female more than the women born into that sex?
So Sam? Be proud of being a flamboyant man and stop thinking that heels make you a woman.

If "they" are affected by prostate or testicular cancer I hope "they" don't waste the resources of the NHS as my examples are male specific and according to "they" they are not male anyway so "they" will not be suffering from any ailments that are related to their XY chromosomes.

Yes.

I think I am probably the only person on this thread who feels differently about this. Hear me out or tear me apart. Don’t mind

I have a close friend who is very similar to Sam Smith, also v tall and broad. He’s a big lad.

He does not want to be a woman but he feels very ‘feminine’ sometimes. He does seem to enjoy and want to access the part of what he thinks is femininity that can appear sexualised - heels, dresses, make up and such like but he is not a transvestite. Like Sam Smith he may enjoy wearing heels for a few hours because they make him feel elegant and graceful for once. I see him struggle - he’s over 6ft and the only time he gets to feel graceful and elegant is to create it using these elements.

In the main the true reason these men end up appropriating these female ideas and practices is because it is still so unacceptable to do as just simply a man, or you become labelled with what they feel can be a derogatory gay term such as twink etc. When you feel ugly, as many men do - my friend and Sam smith seem to have very low opinions of their looks, have been bullied, don’t fit in, feel unusual, don’t fit in any stereotype, they are looking for something that makes them feel better. I don’t believe they want to insult women, unfortunately it can though.

This is not new guys though is it?
Ru Paul has a whole bloody TV series dedicated to men dressing as women, although drag and it has inspired many men to be more open and want to express their inner beauty.

I sometimes find it hard to read such vitriol on these subjects - we have tried to move away from judging women on their clothing choices and have become more liberal minded. But when it comes to men wanting to wear women’s clothes or shoes it gets pretty nasty.

I don’t wear giant heels or PVC, but it seems more acceptable for me to than a man, why though? We don’t own high heels do we.

SS’s comments on feeling feminine to me come from a place of feeling rejected from society, bullying and torment. He is trying to be happy, which I don’t really begrudge him as much as some other people do

I realised I used all the wrong pronouns 😂
My kids were arguing as I was typing