To think Sam Smith is being ridiculous?

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For asking to be called they/them?

@jellyfrizz

so you agree its wrong to refuse to call people by their preferred pronouns then?!

@jellyfrizz

so you agree its wrong to refuse to call people by their preferred pronouns then?!

I’m talking about resisting toxic masculinity. I’m talking about resisting the urge to correlate gendered behaviours with biological sex - it’s not difficult

OK, cross posted with this - fair enough, but that's still not much better.

@birdsdestiny as far as I'm aware, women are allowed to object to stereotypes made about women. There are no laws against it?

I see point too don’t worry. Telling them to resist is all well and good when it is someone you don’t know and have no emotional connection to. But in the shoes of a parent who was I doubt any of you would be saying any of this to your child

I also don’t think gender confusion is catching, I think it is just becoming more acceptable to explore gender fluidity and no matter how much people preach about theories and grammar, it isn’t going to stop what is happening. Accepting non binary is not about lying down and taking the more extreme views of the radical transgender movement. You are unlikely to educate anyone using any of these methods in this thread which verge strongly on belittling people’s feelings. They aren’t going to listen to you

@Bibijayne hear hear

I think you’re willfully misunderstanding me now. You do this a fair bit. I’m going to stop bothering now - do some reading

I keep cross posting as I just explained - just done it again with this comment FFS lol

so you agree its wrong to refuse to call people by their preferred pronouns then?!

I think it's wrong to only call some people by their preferred pronouns if they have requested it. It's the hypocrisy I find wrong.

@smellbowspacebowl I get your point

So if your son puts on a skirt I assume that's fine with you, great!

If your son puts on a skirt and tells you he thinks he feels like he is more of a girl than a boy, what do you do then?

But in the shoes of a parent who was I doubt any of you would be saying any of this to your child
Accepting non binary is not about lying down and taking the more extreme views of the radical transgender movement. You are unlikely to educate anyone using any of these methods in this thread which verge strongly on belittling people’s feelings.

Exactly, well said I agree completely with all of this

@jellyfrizz its not hypocrisy. You are ludicrous if you think sam wanting to be called 'they' is the same as that mad request I receievd before?

I would say that skirts have absolutely nothing to do with whether you are a boy or a girl. And that would be fine as I am challenging stereotypes which you have conceded is a perfectly ok thing to do.

@PookieDo Well said!

Oh and I'm not trans or non binary or whatever but I'm fairly sure you don't just wake up one morning and think "do you know what, I will be today!"

Even if you read something that really chimes with your thinking that you never realised made you trans? I didn't know I was trans until I read about agender i.e. no gender identity.

@birdsdestiny I'm sorry but I wasn't talking to you

I was referring to Smellbow "I am happy for my son to wear whatever he wants"

I think it's wrong to only call some people by their preferred pronouns if they have requested it. It's the hypocrisy I find wrong.

Why would it be hypocritical to use preferred pronouns like they though? even if I do find pronoun they silly cos plural It wouldn't be hypocritical for me because I have no problem using she/he for people who are trans.
It'd only be hypocritical for those who refused to use preferred pronouns for anyone...

@SmellbowSpaceBowl Okay I see what you mean and that's a very weel-educated point to make but you've neglected to factor in your son's feelings

What do you do when he still feels that he should have been born a woman and its an emotion he cannot escape? This is when children turn to self harm and suicide because their parents cannot accept that they should not have been assigned their current gender

If it made your son happier to be referred to as 'she' would you do it?

@PookieDo I agree with you on this but can you not see how/why this movement is damaging even if we are to put aside the "more extreme views of the radical transgender movement."

As @SmellbowSpaceBowl said her daughter has faced the stereotypical beliefs of her male classmates who tell her 'girls can't do xyz' she didn't therefore decide she is male. She decided to still get on with it.

By declaring yourself free of gender ideology i.e. non-binary, you are ALSO reinforcing the idea that gender stereotypes exist and are suffocating.

So why not focus on teaching our boys that it's ok to play with dolls or whatever and girls that they can race cars or whatever.

Non-binary is essentially the reinforcement of socio-political gender stereotypes which these non-binary individuals so seek to break away from.

Even if you read something that really chimes with your thinking that you never realised made you trans?

You'd have to have been feeling that way to start with for it to chime though, to think it sounds like you, surely?
I mean I know I'm never going to be trans and me reading up on it doesn't make me suddenly want to be.

Does ‘she’ refer to sex or gender?

I would argue gender

No need to refer to sex other than in a medical setting...

What do you do when he still feels that he should have been born a woman and its an emotion he cannot escape?

Exactly, do you expect him to still resist then?