to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you

[chomalungma]

Just been released

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

And I wonder what Number 15 is. It's been redacted.

So much to highlight:

Impact of food and fuel prices on poorer people.
Impact exacerbated due to winter flu issues at that time of year
Lorries delayed and flow reduced to 40 - 60%

And I'm only on page 1

I think the rhetoric needs to shift from Leave and Remain to Hard Leave and everyone else.

I bet there are many people who would be happy with a Brexit where we have a good deal, frictionless trade and a single market. But without Freedom of Movement. It gets us out of the EU.

I bet there are many MPs who would be happy with that. Probably even more now Johnson is in charge.

We hear the No Dealers on this thread.

I don't mind if we leave the EU - but I think we should try to get as best a deal as possible before we leave so these issues don't come to reality. I would prefer to Remain - but a good deal is far far better than No Deal.

Thanks frequency, but where I am I have seen the other side.
We may get 2 million wonderful net contributers but to have to put up with 1 million non net contributers, socially disruptive etc is it worth it?
The net contributers may not have even been in areas where there was an actual need becsuse we... The UK have no capacity for choice under eu rules.

Many peoples lives have already been made much worse, oft repeated, never ever taken on board.

People chill honestly, it’s all much to do about nothing

Oh let's hope so. All these business leaders and logistics experts need to chill too hmm?

You want to start looking at how many jobs where lost and how many industries failed as a result of joining the eu. Some can be brought back, not all. But I can guarantee that pricess if things may blips but will actually reduce going forward, particularly for products we get from 80% of the trading world outside the eu. The eu is an elderly donkey with a few years left but the best is long gone. Yet we tie ourselves too it and ignore the vast trading world. That’s f Ing dumb lets be honest. No business would survive with that model

Septembersunrays

I think it is important to separate feelings from facts. Feelings are not always reflecting the truth, and it would be terribly sad to base such a massive decision on feelings that are likely based on lies.

In a democracy, it is important to accept that it is not a matter of winning and losing, but a matter of having a voice. Being able to change one’s mind and being able to change direction when it is obvious that the direction taken is damaging the country and the people.
If that puts you off voting in the future, so be it - that is also part of democracy. You have a vote, and you can choose to use it or choose not to use it.

But having to go through with something that is so utterly damaging because of feelings rather than fact is not the way forward.

As someone who is still supporting Brexit, maybe you can answer the question:
What are the real and tangible benefits of Brexit?

Oh give over! I bet at least half those who voted in the referendum didn't give EU a thought till bloody Cameron set up the referendum. Brexit is not the cause of our problems in this country, nor the EU. Brexit is the consequence the cause was AUSTERITY and the TORY PARTY.

But I can guarantee that pricess if things may blips but will actually reduce going forward, particularly for products we get from 80% of the trading world outside the eu

How can you make that guarantee? Where is the evidence, data or study to back up that claim?

Septembersunrays I am surprised to read your views on immigrants, as I had assumed from your posts that you are an immigrant to the UK yourself. Forgive me, but your posts read as though they are written by a non-native English speaker. Is that the case?

Chom I would prefer to leave with a deal. But unfortunately I have lost faith in the set of individuals in Parliament to do anything brexit related at all. Their heart has not been in leaving and now many are showing their disdain for our democratic process by openly declaring... They want to revoke.

So how would this bunch do any deal. The best chance we have is Boris and parliament is desperate to stop him... The trust has gone. We've had 3 years to sort this out.

Well, we must have all this, do or die, because 17 million people knowingly voted for all this. We're going to be so much better off than we are now.

//end sarcasm mode.

@Septembersunrays

surely you can be a leaver without thinking no deal is a good thing. The poor are the ones who will suffer most if we leave with no deal. Surely you acknowledge that?

So how would this bunch do any deal

Quite easily.

There is already a deal. Offer that to the British people (if they can't get any better) or offer Remain. Have a referendum. Put No Deal on there.

Establish a preferential voting system.

Gives people a chance to vote on several options in order of preference.

Isn't that democracy?

But I can guarantee that pricess if things may blips but will actually reduce going forward, particularly for products we get from 80% of the trading world outside the eu

We currently do more trade with the EU than the whole of the rest of the world put together. How is this conceivably possible outside the EU?

If anyone believes that this country can stand alone in the world without a strong alliance with Europe when we have Trump with America first, China and India North Korea and Iran and Russia ( most of which are fighting a proxy war in Syria) all with their fingers hovering over a big red button then you ostriches!

What disruption to food flow. It’s possible but I ask this. Do you think that Tesco Asda Aldi etc are going to forsake billions a day in trading or do they already have a plan. They already bring your potatoes in from Egypt, broccoli from Africa, green beans another country etc. Trading globally already happens to provide you with a daily shop. How much of your weekly bought food sho comes from eu? Bet it’s not a lot if you really look.plus I bet it can all be sourced cheaper on the eu. Storm in a tea cup, you’ve all got institutionalised in eu and can’t see the world outside a tiny bubble

@septembersunrays we have cross posted so you have sort of answered my question.

How would you feel if a loved one needed medications that were unavailable and died? Would you still think it was worth it for the greater good? Or do you claim it is all project fear too?

The net contributers may not have even been in areas where there was an actual need becsuse we... The UK have no capacity for choice under eu rules

Try going into any NHS hospital and tell us that EU immigrants working there aren't in an area of actual need.

How much of your weekly bought food sho comes from eu? Bet it’s not a lot if you really look

Unless you individually make a specific effort to avoid food with EU sourced or processed ingredients, you would lose your bet.

Askyourself Appalling choice of words in a previous post. Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to use the R word probably isn't worth listening to

I hope MN do remove that post.

If I was a food supplier from outside the EU and were looking for a country with which I had a massive market, no disruption to transport which affects my fresh food and which had done a trade deal with me already, I would probably be picking the EU and not the UK.

I have read 7 pages of this thread and I can’t read any more. The implications for my health, food for my children and the prospect of them changing schools due to fuel shortages is just top much for one night. I really wish their could be a miracle and Article 50 revoked, but I very much doubt it.

askyourself do you honestly not understand that the food from other countries comes through the EU to get to us so with delays at Dover etc this will have an impact on food supply. It's not about whether the food is grown in the eu but more to do with that it passes through eu countries to get to us.
It really doesnt matter if it comes from Egypt if it cant get across the borders cause they are backed up for days.

What disruption to food flow. It’s possible but I ask this. Do you think that Tesco Asda Aldi etc are going to forsake billions a day in trading or do they already have a plan. They already bring your potatoes in from Egypt, broccoli from Africa, green beans another country etc. Trading globally already happens to provide you with a daily shop. How much of your weekly bought food sho comes from eu? Bet it’s not a lot if you really look.plus I bet it can all be sourced cheaper on the eu. Storm in a tea cup, you’ve all got institutionalised in eu and can’t see the world outside a tiny bubble

These things are brought in under trade deals the EU have with the supplying countries. The UK has no trade deals. Plus, if you'd read the document would understand that not only are fuel shortages likely but there will be delays at the border. Aldi might well have agreed to buy broccoli from Egypt (though again I'd like to see your evidence) but with no fuel, traffic jams at the border and no trade deals in place the broccoli is never gonna make it from Dover to Aldi.

If you're going post your personal opinion as fact at least try to have a basic understanding of the topic you are posting about.

I reported that too, CactusAndCacti. And yes, I agree with your second sentence entirely.

@Askyourself you are wrong I am afraid, trade deals would all have to be renegotiated if we leave the EU because the terms we trade on now wouldn't apply once we are no longer a member of EU so our deals with the places you've listed ( Egypt is in Africa btw) need to be renegotiated.That could take years, leaving trade relations between the UK and Africa in limbo.