to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you

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Just been released

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

And I wonder what Number 15 is. It's been redacted.

So much to highlight:

Impact of food and fuel prices on poorer people.
Impact exacerbated due to winter flu issues at that time of year
Lorries delayed and flow reduced to 40 - 60%

And I'm only on page 1

chocchocbuttons What do you believe yellowhammer is if it's not a government document? Why aren't the government denying all knowledge?

I honestly feel like if we have a general election and anyone I know votes for Boris Johnson's government I will struggle to ever forgive them. I know that phrase is overused but they will have voted for poor and vulnerable people to die so that rich priviliged people can get rich and avoid tax

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/is-the-anti-tax-avoidance-directive-the-reason-the-rich-want-out-of-eu-1-5669763

Remainers are like chicken lickin. The sky’s falling in the sky’s falling in 🙄

septembersunrays rewind say six years and very few people in the country gave a shit about the EU. They were fed lies and propaganda and given a referendum where the campaign to leave was run illegally.

Now we know people may well die as a result. Who in their right mind can think that is 'worth it.'

Some people will get very rich as a result of Brexit. People really need to stop and look at what's really going on.

It doesn't and the female MP responsible for the bill sau=ys it will be back.

Yellowhammer is a plan for the worst set of disasters. Every government has them for every bad outcome otherwise the media complains about them being caught on the hop.

Any sensible business has these. I wrote part of the safety case for the Oceanic Air Traffic Control System and people freak out when they read the first statement on the first page, it reads "This system shall be tolerably safe". Tolerably safe in this context is one mid-air collision in 50,000 years.

Remainers are like chicken lickin. The sky’s falling in the sky’s falling in

Have you read the government document? You just sound ignorant tbh.

Yellowhammer is a plan for the worst set of disasters. Every government has them for every bad outcome otherwise the media complains about them being caught on the hop

Yellowhammer is the base case scenario. Or was the base case scenario before the government was forced to release it. I wonder what happened between then and now to make it the worst case scenario...

Septembersunrays

Democracy is not declared null and void because we don’t leave the EU when it clearly is so utterly destructive.

Democracy gets declared null and void when people cheat and lie to the population, and when we stop being able to change our minds.
When we force ourselves to go through with no deal Brexit, believing that we “have to” for the sake of democracy - and in reality it's just so the rich can get richer and the poor can get poorer.

What real and tangible benefit of Brexit is worth all of this?

We voted on eating what was in a box. We thought it was cake.
It’s a dead rat covered in dog turd.
Are you really still happy to eat it, or do you want to vote again?

ust like millennium bug

You do realise that the Millenium bug

a) Was something that was going to happen - not something that could be avoided by cancelling it

b) Was limited in its effect due to a stupendous effort by lots of programmers so the effects weren't seen.

This is NOT like the Millenium Bug. This is something we can avoid even contemplating happening.

What kind of a person looks at that - and this is just a basic version - and thinks, we'll go ahead...

I wonder what goal is worth all the potential risks out there?

Well there are risks to remaining.
There were risks faced and risks sadly played out whilst in the eu.
It's been a most tragic side issue of open borders that eu citizens with previous criminal records have been freely allowed into the UK and went onto to commit murder.

We usually say we don't have death penalty because of that one precious life lost to a mistake. And yet people have already died because of criminals allowed in, with no checks, who went on to kill people.

Then there is the issue of people trafficking, vulnerable people made to work in shitty caravans all over Europe for gang /slave masters.
Modern day slavery is flourishing and that's because of open borders and being able to shift vulnerable people from former communist broken countries to rich ones.

Then there is the social impact of very poor people from those former communist countries moving here and increasing that need at the bottom of the pyramid.
They have little, so throw more in with little?
Frank field said vote leave for the poor.
I could go on but it's all been said before and I know people seem to find empathy hard when they are afraid for themselves.

The identical report leaked previously was labelled BASE SCENARIO.

It's not a worse case scenario.
Suspect a lot on this thread haven't read the report - it's 5/6 pages long and reads like an executive summary.

I particularly appreciated:- 17. Low income groups will be disproportionately affected by any price rises in food and fuel.

@MaudBaileysGreenTurban I was being despairingly ironic but appreciate that doesn’t come across well in text. Apologies for the taste malfunction. As it happens I suffer from immunodeficiency and asthma and rely on daily medication to stay alive, so I do have bigger concerns than DP’s supply of breakfast cereal.

I'm sorry risk it but I feel very differently to you. I voted leave and my vote went to the side that won. I feel being in the eu has caused immense damage to our country, I don't believe we need to be in the eu. I feel people in control are Vile and I don't want any part of it.

Myself and millions of others made a vote in good faith so yes, seeing as more of us who feel that way voted leave, that's exactly what must happen.

Otherwise votes are declared void and there is no reason to vote for anything in future.

All the people saying that it will be fine have you actually read the government written document? Do you think it's ok to run the risk of people dying due to medicine shortages just so we can get 'control back' whatever that means. Is it ok to risk the poorest in society struggling to feed themselves, heat their homes etc. All for what exactly? If one of you can please point out rationally what we are gaining that will even out what we risk losing then I all ears. My daughter is been investigated for a nut allergy atm, epi pens are already in short supply and I dare to think what might happen if there are medicine shortages. The selfishness of some people always amazes me.

I do hope there are some Hard Leavers who look at this and have pause for thought.

I know there are many who won't. You aren't the ones this thread is aimed at.

This is aimed at Leavers. The mum who has children on medicine who needs a GP appointment, who has elderly relatives to support, who is concerned about the cost of food in the supermarket. All areas that could be impacted by No Deal Brexit.

If we have a good deal, then maybe this won't happen.

We can still leave with a good deal. That may well alleviate many of these potential threats.

But I hope that there are some people who do want a No Deal who are having pause for thought now.

Then there is the social impact of very poor people from those former communist countries moving here and increasing that need at the bottom of the pyramid

Immigrants are net contributors i.e they pay more in tax than they take from the system.

fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu-immigrants-contribute-134-every-1-they-receive/

It's been a most tragic side issue of open borders that eu citizens with previous criminal records have been freely allowed into the UK and went onto to commit murder

I give you this:

I voted leave and my vote went to the side that won

I really wonder what you think you have won. A worse life for all of us. Well done.

A Pyrrhic victory for leavers.

How depressingly awful, I had hoped that actually we really were just silly scaremongering handwringers who were going to be proved wronger than double denim.

Bugger.

What I am really curious about is the "Black Swan" rumour on Facebook. Apparently this is the base supposition whilst Black Swan is the true emergency.

I was in low income group after credit crunch. I was affected by food and fuel rises.
What's news about this?

Breaking news... The poor... Will be affected by price rises!

Not... The rich..
Some prices will rise and some will fall.

The most stupid thing the uk government ever did was joining the eu in the first place. Something Jeremy Corbyn was against, has fort and lobbied against his entire political career, up until he though he might get some more votes if he goes all wish washy. I don’t like bojo, but fm Jc has made all this worse in his personal little power struggle to be king of the ashes. You’d be better trusting a Conman loan shark than Corbyn. Bojo a bit of a twat let’s be honest, but sadly is better than the alternative. How scary is that

Oh well. At the end of it all, what will happen will happen.
There's nothing the great unwashed can do so you just have to get on with it.

Nb for clarity am a remainer.

askyourself just stop a moment and ponder this. In this country there already exists food banks. This the 5th richest economy in the world and we have food banks being used by WORKING people. My dd would be one of those if it were not for me literally going without to make sure she and my dgd eat ( I'm a pensioner severely disabled). So if this is happening BEFORE brexit in this country wtf do you think will happen to those food banks with ANY disruption in the flow of goods to shops, prices of food going up ( remember the prices never go down again).

1. the demand on them will rise so much they could not cope.
2. people who used to donate to them will be too busy stocking up their own supplies in case they have to join the queues.
3. people especially children could starve to death. Its not a case this won't happen its all scaremongering. We are an island we cannot produce enough food all year round for our population. We really heavily on imports. Anything coming into this country WILL BE DISRUPTED until deals are made. These do not take a day to do, nor a week or even a month, maybe never! So suggest you dwell on just that one point.