to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you

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Just been released

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

And I wonder what Number 15 is. It's been redacted.

So much to highlight:

Impact of food and fuel prices on poorer people.
Impact exacerbated due to winter flu issues at that time of year
Lorries delayed and flow reduced to 40 - 60%

And I'm only on page 1

There's nothing that more clearly identifies you as fucking stupid than stamping and bellowing that leaving the EU is 'the will of the people'. It was the will of less than half of the population of the UK eligible to vote at the time, and it's very clear that many of those who voted Leave had very little idea of what they were voting for. Some just wanted to stick two fingers up to the government, some were gullible enough to believe the lies about millions for the NHS if we leave (or had swallowed the relentless propaganda from the likes of Johnson to the effect that the EU exists to argue about bananas and condom sizing)... and some were, and still are, ignorant racists or deluded flag-shaggers bawling that white English men ought to be ruling the world and the nasty EU is stopping them.

But the Leave campaign never had the faintest idea of how to actually implement any of the rubbish they promised. Some of them wanted a rapid exit from the EU purely in order to escape getting clobbered for their years of tax-dodging, some knew that they could make a lot of money gambling on the chaos that would follow a Leave victory... and some fancy turning the UK into a feudal state, with no human rights for anyone except the super-rich.

Those potatoes etc are shipped to Rotterdam and then moved to the UK - that where the problems in supply will lie. We do not have the same facilities. It will not be within Tescos control. (See KFC chicken).

The report was written by our government.

This is only going to lead to more panic buying now and obviously more tedious ‘show us your stash’ MN threads, all exacerbating the problem in the long run.

I’m so fucked off with the Leavers maintaining that democracy would die if the we revoked Article 50. I suspect most of them don’t have a fucking clue that the hardline Brexiteers with the power are laughing their heads off at the utter fucking naïveté.

The vote wasn’t a legal document anyway, it only became legal when David fuckface Cameron triggered article 50. Never mind that just over a third voted to leave, that’s two thirds of the country who did not vote to leave. Never mind that the leave campaign was ethically bankrupt with the Leavers admitting the day after the vote that they lied. Never mind the illegal bankrolling, data harvesting, deliberate feeding of misinformation to a public drip fed poison by the likes of Nigel shitstain Farage. Never mind that all brexit has done so far is to make some rich bastards even more richer, see the post about shorting the pound and hedge funds upthread.

I’m fucking terrified. It’s a struggle to feed my family as it is. I’m a lone parent on severe disability payments. I can’t afford to stock up. I’m worried to death about my elderly parents on life saving medication.. I’m worried for my daughter halfway through a German degree and who doesn’t know what state Erasmus will be in for her year abroad. Technically, I’m lucky as I’m an Irish citizen by foreign birth but we can’t afford the fees for my DD to claim citizenship by virtue of having an Irish grandparent.

I’m worried for all the vulnerable people who are going to be struggling greatly, in the best scenario just so some jingoistic nimbys can “take back control”.

This is a fucking shitshow and the rest of the world are laughing at us.

I hope your sovereignty keeps you warm this winter when there’s no fuel and you can’t afford the heat on.

Looks like social care will be affected just as Pension Credit has been cut for age gap couples. It will get interesting.............because im sure the younger (and in a lot of cases) carer half of the couple will be able to rely on that social care for their other half when the younger one is forced to look for work on UC.

@CactusAndCacti

Askyourself Appalling choice of words in a previous post. Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to use the R word probably isn't worth listening to

I hope MN do remove that post.

The R word?
Remain...

I am trying to stay positive, but it is really hard and I am not sleeping well. Hoping the UK Supreme Court make the right call next Tuesday.

I believe in democracy but in 'representative democracy' - ie we vote for our MPs to represent us (accepting for the main part that irrespective of their failings they are better informed than the man in the street). I really don't think something of the magnitude of Brexit should have been put to the popular vote - the majority of people don't have an adequate grasp of macro economics and the geo political environment to make an informed choice.

I have no confidence that a second referendum would yield a different result.

The most stupid thing the uk government ever did was joining the eu in the first place.
Interesting: on the one hand, you're saying (or the Leavers on this thread) that democracy will be DEAD if we don't leave the EU, but on the other you're saying that the government shouldn't have listened to the 1975 referendum to stay in the EEC.
I have to say, for me the most frustrating leaver argument is the one about democracy. We live in a parliamentary democracy, ie we elect MPs to make decisions for us. A true democracy of the type you're suggesting would require every decision to be put to the people. This is a totally unrealistic prospect, largely because most of us, myself included, don't have the time or inclination to try to understand all the nuances of any decision. That's what we pay our MPs to do. To have expected the populace to understand what lay behind the Brexit vote was absurd. It should never have been a binding referendum.
And please, stop with the 'Project Fear'. It's as discredited as Fake News.

UK well on its way to being a third world country.

If these are the documents prepared for worst case - may, could etc then presumably there have also been planning documents for expected case and best case? Where are they? Why haven't they been leaked?

Perhaps because there is no chance of a positive outcome (so there are no may/could positive alternatives)

Please stop talking about 'ever closer' etc - WE HAVE A VETO

No, “iwasatglasto” the R word was a particularly vile one used by wankers when they want to say someone has an intellectual disability.

Fuck off to the poster who said that, your opinion counts for nothing when you reveal yourself to be the kind of person who thinks it’s in any way acceptable to use that word.

Scenario for an island that is not self sufficient.......You set up a fish and chip shop in the middle if a desert.

1. how, where and when do you get your supplies?
2. how much does it cost for your product?
3. you have no trade deals with anyone at all.
4. how, where, when can you get a supply of gas, electric, water?
5. oh dear you've gone bankrupt.

@HoofWankingSpangleCunt well put. I agree with everything you have said and have not yet met a leaver in real life or encountered one online anywhere who can tell me any reasons why brexit is a good idea.

It's so embarrassing to be part of this country right now. I am ashamed to watch how our poor and vulnerable people are already suffering and knowing that our Prime minister is about to cause more suffering, misery and death with no consequences whatsoever for him despite lying to us on a bus, lying to parliament and the queen despite not even having a majority in parliament. So much for taking back control we havent even got a parliament sitting at the moment.

Jeremy Corbyn's labour party has more MPs and is the biggest party now and yet Boris Johnson is allowed to make the biggest constitutional decision taken in over 40 years without parliamental scrutiny.

Venezuela was the wealthiest country in South America back in the 70's - mismanagement can lead to a spectacular fall in fortunes

This is only going to lead to more panic buying now and obviously more tedious ‘show us your stash’ MN threads, all exacerbating the problem in the long run.

Stocking up now in order to build a stash will not lead to shortages further down the line as the shops are currently able to reorder and replenish. If no deal comes to fruition and people begin panic buying at that point where the shops cannot restock then this will lead to shortages.

You've confused planning ahead with panic buying.

People building a stash won't be in the shops panic buying after 31st October, they'll be using the stash they built ahead of time and therefore leaving the items in the shops for other people.

sorry I am talking crap about number of mps. I actually remember labours as being higher but have just checked so ignore me labour has 247 and cons have 288

Just one reason why October was chosen.........................................this will get next to no coverage

www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2019/05/17/grenfell-tower-inquiry-report-delayed-until-october/

I know there are more important considerations (medications etc) - but I am hoping that public transport will get priority for fuel (along with other categories like emergency vehicles). One dc doing GCSEs this year and the other doing A levels - they really need to get to school / college (especially as they may wish to emigrate in future)

@HoofWankingSpangleCunt

Thank you. Too many posts to scroll and find the one in question.
I wholeheartedly agree.
No need for people to use derogatory terms.
Sadly though, anything Brexit related seems to bring out the worst in people. I have friends who voted differently to myself. I'd certainly never dream of talking to them in the way people talk to those online who voted the opposite way to them.
I'm all for a sensible debate/discussion but when people start petty name calling is pathetic.
The person who voted leave had their reasons for doing so, as did the person who voted remain. Whatever their reasons, doesn't make them any less of a person than before the vote took place and if nobody would've talked to them like that then, why do it now?
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Yesterday was world suicide prevention day.
Have people forgotten that already?
Is it acceptable today to call people pathetic names and use derogatory terms and try and belittle them, all because of the way they voted?
How about just being kind to each other?*
Because maybe, we'll all need help one day.

I fully understand supply and logistics, probably better than most here. You are just wrapped up in the what is, not the what’s possible or could be. Supply routes can be changed, alternatives long and short term implemented. Are you all that myopic? My approach maybe antagonistic but I mean no offence. Merely I want you justify your stand point with fact and reason. But I see none here at all, I here fear, see people exploiting and capitalising on that, but I don’t see real factual points or reasons not to leave. Just spin, over exaggeration and conspiracy theories. Also is anyone forgetting that the eu is twice as reliant on us as we are on it. You thinking they won’t deal? Of course they would. The uk buy more cars from Germany than any other country, as an example. How ever we leave, the eu will trade and play ball, it’s in their interest to do that. Again and again all scare mongering sadly

Operation sledgehammer though heavily redacted is good enough for me to shout DONT DO IT!

That is indeed a fair point, Sostueneto, and 'austerity' and the Tory party continue to visit and increase ills in this country but well, immigrants and benefits and summat need punished according to sheeple who keep voting the lying twats in.

I thought my point about standing alone in a war crazy world was a good enough reason as well to DON'T DO it!

I thought the fact that 5 of my medications are on the list of the Government's making that will experience shortages is another good reason to DON'T DO IT!

I thought that the possibility, however faint, of someone losing their life, was a good enough reason to DON'T DO IT!

Askyourself when someone dies because their meds are delayed, will you still think it is worth "it"
What do you gain from leaving?
What do you loose?
Your friends must be seething at you sitting so piously while they worry about their loved ones lives.
It's people with no sympathy that should be stocking up - no one will be rushing to help them out!

Askyourself

Nothing in any of your posts suggests that you have any knowledge at all of supply chains or logistics, or of the relationship between the UK and the EU.

Supply routes can be changed, alternatives long and short term implemented
Not really. There are a finite number of ports, a finite number of customs officers and a finite number of ships. As Grayling found out last time, signing a multi-million pound contract with a company that had no ships, to sail to a port that had no facilities and no customs infrastructure was not a good idea.

The eu is twice as reliant on us as we are on it
This is just nonsense – I’ll let Theresa May explain: “In a stand-off between Britain and the EU, 44 per cent of our exports is more important to us than eight per cent of the EU’s exports is to them. The economic arguments are clear. Being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. One of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.”

The uk buy more cars from Germany than any other country,
This is a false comparison. The largest market for EU cars is the internal EU market. If the UK car factories close after Brexit (they cannot build cars if the wheels are somewhere on Felixstowe docks and the gearboxes are stuck in a 50km queue outside Calais) then the UK will actually buy more cars from the EU after Brexit, but pay 10% more for them.

You want to start looking at how many jobs where lost and how many industries failed as a result of joining the eu
Which industries failed as a result of joining the EU? How many jobs were lost as a result of joining the EU? Over the last 30 years, jobs have been lost due to a combination of poor British management, direct government policy (focussing on services and letting manufacturing decline) and an inability to make better things than the competitors make.
On the other hand, Japanese companies have invested billions in the UK precisely because the UK is in the EU (and they have warned that they will be pulling out if there is a No Deal Brexit). Likewise American and Indian companies, as well as the European companies like BMW and Vauxhall that have kept their UK plants open rather than relocating to the mainland. These too will now close.