to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you

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Just been released

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

And I wonder what Number 15 is. It's been redacted.

So much to highlight:

Impact of food and fuel prices on poorer people.
Impact exacerbated due to winter flu issues at that time of year
Lorries delayed and flow reduced to 40 - 60%

And I'm only on page 1

Please be aware the published yellowhammer document today is NOT the full version. Also it is not worst case scenario......

This is the same version The Sunday Times had in mid-August.

However, the header of that was different.

It said: "HMG Planning Assumptions" then "Base scenario"

This means that this is the minimum that will happen. In reality it will be a whole lot worse.
In my own case on the list of meds that will experience shortages 5 of my meds on that list. This will have huge impact on my life. Food shortages price rises and petrol rationing will really affect both myself and family. It will impact everyone but especially those who are already on the lowest wages or who are old, disabled or vulnerable.
No idea how I will afford even more pricier electricity.

It absolutely does not to be done if this is the outcome.

F me. The person up thread thinking they'll be untouched by this as they waft past the food queues and unrest. You say you don't need medicine. You could very easily and quickly become very unwell. Any of us could. We know that if that happened, we'd be pretty much guaranteed to get the help we need. Not after No Deal.

I can't imagine how terrifying it is for people who depend on medicine to stay alive or make life bearable.

Any of you who still support this are unbelievable. #DeathbyBrexit

This doesn't even take into account how the various moving parts will interact or grind together to cause unimagined effects.

Literally cannot believe people still support this.

@Venger Lol your in cloud cuckoo land. The government hid that we broke the enigma code for 50 years. The government don’t just accidentally leak papers.. 😂🤦🏼‍♀️

As someone said on Twitter, this reads like preparations for a war but the British government has done this to its own country. A percentage of the British people were stupid enough to enable this to happen to themselves and their friends and neighbours.

Not biting, @ChocChocButtons. It’s clear you’re not able to offer me a rational argument.

Any one of the scenarios in that incomplete document can be classed as a national crisis but altogether? Cancel Xmas and don't forget another ' beast of the East' due again this winter expected also to be a lot worse. There will be lots of deaths.

I'm so fucking angry about this.
I voted yes in the independence referendum and to remain in the EU.
And I have never ever voted tory. I hate them with a passion.

nothing comes without pain...or death for me and my fellow type 1 diabetics, reliant on insulin to survive

@Kolo you want to lie and deceive the British public to your way of thinking...that’s what dictators do. Lol but if you don’t understand what one is that’s fair enough.

And when this goes tits up and people die or lose their jobs, Boris and Rees Mogg will be nowhere to be seen, just like David Cameron is nowhere to be seen now.

Lol your in cloud cuckoo land

*You're

GF.

@Venger love it no decent argument so you correct my terrible punctuation. Lol fab.

*For balance what's the base case scenario for revoking look like?

I'd like to compare the two.*

Revoking Article 50 would mean we do not leave and stay in the EU with no changes (the EU have stated we could keep our current rebate and opt-outs afaik).

This means life would not change from today. Pound would probably go up, rather than fall more, meaning prices would not go up more.

Perhaps some angry Brexiters on the streets (one could argue we would see angry people in the streets in case of Brexit), but no fuel, medication and food shortages.

ssd I voted no, I would vote yes next time. Same for everyone in my family.

Update from Anna Soubry

Anna Soubry MP
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So called #Yellowhammer papers are not what the Govt has to publish. Not the detailed & frank assessments of preparedness or otherwise for #NoDeal nor the detail of the consequences. I know those papers exist because I saw them in March & the updated versions must be published.

I say we all pack up & move abroad

Keep it up, @ChocChocButtons. You’re just illustrating my point. Does it concern you that there’s actual reasonable debate going on around you in this thread and all you’ve got to offer is “propaganda”?

Arf riskit!

Really?

Some angry people on the the streets

And democracy declared null and void. Just that.

But hey the pound would be OK.

From financial data publicly available, £4. 6 billion of aggregate short positions on a ‘no deal’ Brexit have been taken out by hedge funds that directly or indirectly bankrolled Boris Johnston’s leadership campaign.

Most of these firms also donated to Vote Leave and took out short positions on the referendum result. Those which didn’t typically didn’t exist at that time but are invariably connected via directorships to companies that did.

Another £3.7 billion of these short positions have been taken out by firms that donated to the Vote Leave campaign, but did not donate directly to the Johnson leadership campaign.

Currently £8.3 billion of aggregate short positions has been taken out by hedge funds connected to the Prime Minister and his Vote Leave campaign, run by Dominic Cummings, on a ‘no deal’ Brexit."

Now we understand why it's the low income groups that are identified as the worst affected in the Operation Yellowhammer papers and why certain groups are pushing for No Deal. Remember Crispin Odey? The hedge fund manager who made £220 million by betting against the pound in the wake of the 2016 referendum...

And democracy declared null and void. Just that

Democracy is being open with the people, making them aware of the risks, involving them and their elected representatives in decision making and giving people the chance to reflect before making massive decisions.

Any views on social care issues? Or is that not your problem.....

Reanimated.

The eu changed in nature. People simply didn't want what it's become.
We don't want to share ever closer political and social union or be latched into the failing block tied into some mad political scheme that no one involved specially voted for except... The UK.

I guess the moral is, don't drag countries into what they don't want without specifically asking the people.

It needs to be done - lets get on with it

But it doesn't need to be, that's the whole point. We could revoke tomorrow and forget all this.

@Venger Lol your in cloud cuckoo land. The government hid that we broke the enigma code for 50 years. The government don’t just accidentally leak papers.. 😂🤦🏼‍♀️

The government were forced by the act of parliament this week to disclose this document. Otherwise yes they would have kept it secret from us and just let all this happen. In fact trying to bypass parliament so they could make it happen without our elected MPs stepping in.

And still claim to be on the side of 'the people' Anyone who believes them or thinks that Brexit is a good idea now is idiotic.

Omfg chill the f@£” out. So governments and businesses prepare documents like this. They list the sublime to the ridiculous. They have to take all possibilities into account. Of course the scare mongers will focus on the extremes and present them as the likely. Added to that the eu is in propaganda mode and doesn’t want the uk cash cow to leave. Not because they like us, they just like our money. I am constantly amazed at how many people fall for the scare mongers crap and don’t actually question the half truths. If we leave, other than idiots panic buying you’ll see no difference in your general day to day. Just like millennium bug, etc. People chill honestly, it’s all much to do about nothing

This is worse than sexing up an Iraq WMD report.
This is happening on our own home soil and is absolutely avoidable.

If we leave with no deal democracy is already null and void. No deal was never on the table. We did not vote for no deal. In fact, we were promised the 'easiest deal in history' before the referendum. This may or may not have been said by someone standing in front of a shiny red bus which vowed an extra 360 million to the NHS.

The leave campaign was based on outright lies. That is not democracy.