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to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you

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chomalungma · 11/09/2019 20:55

Just been released

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

And I wonder what Number 15 is. It's been redacted.

So much to highlight:

Impact of food and fuel prices on poorer people.
Impact exacerbated due to winter flu issues at that time of year
Lorries delayed and flow reduced to 40 - 60%

And I'm only on page 1

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ScreamingLadySutch · 12/09/2019 17:42

Despite the hysteria, Yellowhammer suggests there is little to fear about a no-deal Brexit
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12 SEPTEMBER 2019 • 12:22PM

Ramsgate. Pic Shows The Port of Ramsgate which will re-open . In The case of a Brexit no deal in March. Pic Shows The currently closed Port of Ramsgate which could re-open in the event of a No Deal Brexit with a deal with Seaborne Freight
The documents are not a prediction but a worse case scenario
What is most striking about these documents is how unfrightening it all is

How ironic that whenever the BBC runs a story about a no-deal Brexit it uses a photograph of lorries backed up along the M20 taken during the Calais port strikes in 2015. On that occasion, strikers dumped tyres on the road leading to Calais docks and set them alight, closing the port altogether and leading to long tailbacks of lorries in Britain and France.

Yet did the supermarkets run out of food? Did the British public riot because they were unable to get one type of lettuce? Industrial disputes affecting vital infrastructure are just one of the many crises for which governments have to plan. I presume – and hope – there are people in Whitehall already engaged in detailed contingency planning in the event of a general strike in Britain: something which many on the left keep demanding for various reasons and which a Corbyn government would help enable by repealing much trade union law.

Remainers who demanded that the government release documents relating to Operation Yellowhammer, which make preparations for the event of a no deal Brexit, know full well the nature of this kind of planning. It is not a prediction but a worse case scenario, helping the government in its planning to mitigate the risks. Those like Sir Keir Starmer who are jumping up and down this morning trying to tell us that a no deal Brexit would be a national catastrophe have chosen to distort the purpose of Operation Yellowhammer – trying to present it instead as a forecast of what will happen in spite of government planning.

As Jean-Marc Puissesseau, President of the ports of Boulogne and Calais explained last month, there are individuals in Britain who are “whipping up catastrophism for their own reasons” – ie they are trying to frighten the public in a last, desperate bid to frustrate Brexit. He says his ports have all the systems in place to ensure that goods and people can continue to flow freely in the event of no deal on 31 October.

While not all hauliers may have their paperwork in order for the first morning, his officials have been instructed to act with flexibility, rather than holding up lines of traffic because one lorry driver does not have the code for his carrots. Flexibility, after all, is only what keeps the Cross-Channel ports running as they are. If customs officials stopped and searched every vehicle for illegal drugs or wine and tobacco on which duty has not been paid, no-one would get anywhere.

What is most striking about the Operation Yellowhammer document is how unfrightening it is – not least because it is pretty much the same as the document leaked last month. In the worst-case scenario they can envisage, the authors see no possibility that electricity, gas or water supplies will be interrupted. Airports will continue to function. There will be some protests and counter- protests – but can anyone remember a weekend when there wasn’t some march taking place in London?

The only genuine reason for concern are the Channel ports, which the document claims could – without suitable planning – see lorry capacity reduced to 40-60 percent of normal for the first three months. Far from the picture of mass hunger presented by the catastrophists, the document envisages only shortages of ‘certain types of fresh food’, with resulting price rises. But then there are an awful lot of types of fresh food available in British supermarkets – in spite of efforts by the green lobby to make us eat only local-produced food. I guess we would survive if there were a temporary shortage of avocado.

Then again, I wouldn’t have my money even on that grim prospect. If there are food shortages it will be thanks to panic-buying before we actually leave the EU. Come the day, I have a suspicion the shops will be heaving with stock and the ports will be running more smoothly than usual as ordinary motorists, having had scare stories drummed into them for months, avoid them. I foresee the front pages on 31 October showing pictures of the odd, lonely truck driving through Dover with the headline: “Where is everyone?”

pointythings · 12/09/2019 17:49

Well, I'm not at all blase. Fortunately I've found out that it's possible for me to open a bank account in my native Holland without being resident there, so we can plan our departure.

Juells · 12/09/2019 17:50

Are you just going to keep copy/pasting articles rather than discussing with other posters?

Notonthestairs · 12/09/2019 17:55

Ah yes the dearth of avocados shtick. He doesn't address the refineries at all.

But then I am guessing Ross Clark of The Spectator isn't part of a low income family (you know, the ones which will be hardest hit by fuel and food price rises) - no wonder he's not worried.

Havanananana · 12/09/2019 18:00

More waffle - this time from Ross Clark, who also writes for The Spectator (right-wing, pro-Brexit mouthpiece of the Conservatives) and The Telegraph.

[Yellowhammer] is not a prediction, but a worse case scenario, helping the government in its planning to mitigate the risks

The Yellowhammer document seems to have two differing titles, depending which copy is held. It has somehow morphed from being the base scenario to the worse case scenario as soon as it had to be published.

to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you
bellinisurge · 12/09/2019 18:02

The good news is that I won't be anywhere near the supermarket when stuff gets "bumpy " (Gove , Minister for No Deal planning used this term) and @ScreamingLadySutch can scrabble around for stuff she doesn't eat on her own. Only she won't be on her own. Other people with less sunny outlooks on reality will be there.

Fieldofgreycorn · 12/09/2019 18:08

It’s worse case scenario. Doesn’t say anything about how likely these outcomes are.

Havanananana · 12/09/2019 18:08

Ross Clark is just parroting the party line - everything is going to be just fine. Earlier, MP Kevin Hollinrake was sent out to give the same message, but he ran into a smart journalist in Victoria Derbyshire:

[Hollinrake] "I think the majority of people will not be adversely affected."
A disbelieving host [Derbyshire] raised her voice to ask "based on what?"
"Based on the document shortly which will deal with mitigations" said Hollinrake.
"Which you haven't seen!" said Derbyshire.
But the Tory MP continued: "Let's both see it - we should both judge it by the facts."
"I'd love to be able to judge it by the facts," she continued. "You're telling me you don't believe it will happen, based on a document on you haven't seen, which hasn't been published yet. You've got to understand how ridiculous this sounds to people", the presenter replied.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/kevin-hollinrake-on-bbc-victoria-derbyshire-programme-1-6266840

Notonthestairs · 12/09/2019 18:11

Not the worst case - the baseline scenario.

Havanananana · 12/09/2019 18:21

Come the day, I have a suspicion … the ports will be running more smoothly than usual as ordinary motorists, having had scare stories drummed into them for months, avoid them. I foresee the front pages on 31 October showing pictures of the odd, lonely truck driving through Dover with the headline: “Where is everyone?”

This I can imagine - but not for the same reasons that Clark has:

Ordinary motorists will not be able to book crossings for the Brexit weekend, or will have them cancelled, as happened in March. They might be redirected away from Calais and Dunkirk to other ports, keeping Dover free for freight traffic.

Transport companies will not want to risk having their £200,000 trucks, plus valuable loads and their drivers, stuck in queues for days either side of the border, so they will stop crossings by the middle of the week in preparation for the Friday Brexit.

Of course, Clark knows that in the event of a No Deal Brexit it is the front page pictures on 2nd November that will show the empty ports, along with the empty shelves, the empty petrol stations and the lines of troops guarding the border on Ireland.

Havanananana · 12/09/2019 18:25

As for front page pictures for 1st November, here's a man celebrating Brexit by taking his shiny new Brexit 50p coins to Tesco to buy a loaf of bread.

to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you
Havanananana · 12/09/2019 18:27

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Dutch1e · 12/09/2019 18:30

@Juelles looks like that tweet on FB was correct.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10052646/Quitting-the-EU-wont-solve-our-problems-says-Boris-Johnson.html

I remember when this kind of thing used to be found only on The Onion. What happened to the world in the last 5 years.

Fieldofgreycorn · 12/09/2019 18:36

Not the worst case - the baseline scenario.

No the actual document is titled: HMG Reasonable Worst Case Planning Assumptions.

I can see why accusations of scaremongering are flying around.

chomalungma · 12/09/2019 18:38

I am looking forward to all the leaks of the extensive preparations that have been put in place to mitigate these occurences.

I am surprised that hasn't already happened....unless?

As I said, I work in the social care field. It's already got massive issues and I wonder what has been put in place to reduce the effect of No Deal Brexit on this field.

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chomalungma · 12/09/2019 18:40

No the actual document is titled: HMG Reasonable Worst Case Planning Assumptions

What does that even mean?

The worst case that we can reasonably expect to happen.

What does reasonably expect mean? A 50% chance? A 10% chance?

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Dutch1e · 12/09/2019 18:42

I doubt that the rest of EU would look favourably on a request to remain, now. Too much has been said. Nobody wants someone who hates them in their club.

I disagree. Aside from the unprofessional dick-waving by Macron, the EU has repeatedly said that the door is open to revoke, and the reps have all conducted themselves with a surprising amount of dignity. It's almost like watching an unflappable parent ride out a toddler's storm until they are calm enough to get on with the day's business.

Notonthestairs · 12/09/2019 18:47

An identical document circulated and leaked previously said Base Line Scenario. Not worst case. It's identical apart from the heading!!

FreshFreesias · 12/09/2019 18:51

@IainDale
I have just produced a document called Bluespanner. being a gas engineer I thought it best look at various scenarios that may happen throughout my day and the people who work for me and my firm.

  1. Walking to van get run over and firm closes. All staff redundant.
Havanananana · 12/09/2019 18:55

No the actual document is titled: HMG Reasonable Worst Case Planning Assumptions

See my post from 18.00 for a photo of two documents with different headings. It is taken from a tweet that you can see here: www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/sep/12/brexit-latest-news-operation-yellowhammer-claims-government-has-taken-considerable-steps-to-avert-no-deal-dangers-in-yellowhammer-live-news?page=with:block-5d7a56fa8f082514879f2df1#liveblog-navigation (15.34 on the timeline - on page 2)

Spot the difference: Scottish Govt's copy of Yellowhammer says it's a 'base scenario', while UK Govt's says it's a 'reasonable worst case'.
Scottish Govt says it's 'puzzling' and 'curious'

FreshFreesias · 12/09/2019 19:09

@Dutch1e
but the EU is not a `club', it is a political union.
Of course they don't want the UK to leave. Germany, the UK and France are I believe, the only countries putting in more money than they get out. It's nothing to do with liking or disliking us - with Germany sinking into recession they desperately need our £££'s.

These sort of threads are pretty pointless as views are now entrenched and won't be changed by a random comment on a social media forum.

Leavers believe that the People are sovereign, Remainers believe that Parliament is sovereign. Remainers are A1 OK with individual states subsuming themselves into a European superstate; Leavers want to be able to vote their law makers in and vote them out.

Frothing-at-the-bit-Remainers screeching at Leavers on Mumsnet isn't going to encourage Leavers to change their opinion, but will simply re-entrench them even more, adding to the growing divide in our country.

Notonthestairs · 12/09/2019 19:15

If they had a more positive version of No Deal Brexit why haven't they released it?

We can do a deal, leave with supplies continuing - but crashing out will punish vulnerable people.

Notonthestairs · 12/09/2019 19:16

If they had a more positive version of No Deal Brexit why haven't they released it?

We can do a deal, leave with supplies continuing - but crashing out will punish vulnerable people.

WaterSheep · 12/09/2019 19:20

@sailingclosetothewind told us all at 8:33am this morning that most of the issues have been ironed out by the no deal planning team.

I'm still waiting to see evidence of this...

Funny how those who voted leave never back up claims like this.

chomalungma · 12/09/2019 19:22

If only Parliament wasn't shut down - our elected representatives could then question civil servants and Ministers about the preparations and steps taken to mitigate these potential scenarios.

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