to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you

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Just been released

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

And I wonder what Number 15 is. It's been redacted.

So much to highlight:

Impact of food and fuel prices on poorer people.
Impact exacerbated due to winter flu issues at that time of year
Lorries delayed and flow reduced to 40 - 60%

And I'm only on page 1

There’ll be riots either way. So I’ll take the scenario where will have a steady supply of medicine

You and I both surely the scenario with riots that also means we have a supply of food and medication is better than the one with riots and nothing else.

Just kind of explains how we got into this mess in the first place

I know. I want David Cameron’s head on a plate.

Patiently waiting for @Sailingclosetothewind to show us the document.

But fully expecting to be told to google it for myself...

Worst case scenario. Yet some of you remoaners are treating it as what's going to happen.

BTW, I voted to remain.

You don't know much about the civil service if you think it was all directed by Phillip Hammond. Only a stupid ill informed idiot would say something so ridiculous.

Worst case scenario. Yet some of you remoaners are treating it as what's going to happen.

Do people really still think this is the worst case scenario? As has been pointed out numerous times on this thread this is the base scenario. it could and most likely will be a heck of a lot worse!!!

Worst case scenario. Yet some of you remoaners are treating it as what's going to happen.

This again.. don't people read the thread. They're base scenarios. Not the worst case.

Stop believing everything that Johnson/Gove/Cummings say and start getting angry at the right people - the ones who have lied to you for 3 years. Not the ones trying to prevent the worst case scenarios set out in Black Swan, which has not been leaked or published.

@WaterSheep

Panic buying and stockpiling are very different. What those who have been buying in advance are doing is stockpiling. Buying items now isn't going to cause shortages, as currently shops will be able to restock what has been purchased.

Indeed. There seems to be an inability to grasp the difference though. Committed Brexit supporters are determined to claim that preparing beforehand in case of shortages is the same thing as clearing shelves in supermarkets by panic buying when goods are already in short supply. Now is the time to stock up on things, not when transport is being disrupted.

For something that is supposed to be of great benefit to the country....... i am waiting for the Songbird report stating all the upsides of brexit.

Should i hold my breath?

@Pineapple1

Of course you did lol!

I'm just gonna leave one thing here.

Remember when one fast food chain ran out of chicken. People called the police. You know, that time kfc didn't have chicken.
Everywhere else had food.

And people think that the snowflakes can handle all above?

Unfortunately Juells committed Brexit supporters are willing to claim a lot of things, to help promote their ideas and try to silence the facts which are now exploding into the mainstream news.

Should i hold my breath?

I wouldn't, you'll be dead before it's produced. Then you'll be another death because of the EU statistic.

PaddyFOdder

Just revoke article 50 and let the brexiters riot.

There’ll be riots either way. So I’ll take the scenario where will have a steady supply of medicine.”

Have tried desperately hard for 3 1/2 years to be reasonable, defend people’s right to choice etc. in my mind. But in the face of Yellowhammer (or the hastily cobbled together farce that’s being passed off as the real thing), beginning to come round to your way of thinking.
Who was it throwing rocks at the Police outside Parliament last week? Brexiteers. WTF? Why? They “won”, didn’t they? A bunch of angry people who will stay angry whatever the political landscape.
Our MPs are there to represent their constituents’ best interests, regardless of their constituents’ views. Parliament is doing its job. This disaster is in no-ones best interest (other than hedge funds). Already detecting a shift in tone, even in the right wing press, in light of Yellowhammer.
I’ve been favouring a second referendum, in or out with WA. Thought revoke, though my preference, was probably a step too far. But think you may be right. Yes, they’ll be pissed off, they may riot (personally I doubt it, at least not many and not for long, rent-a-mob will always crawl out from under its rock whatever the scenario) but they’ll find something else to be angry about soon enough and the rest of us won’t be dragged down with them.

Facts and practicalities have never been relevant to those who pushed for and those who voted to leave. Boris, who knows when to hop onto a bandwagon and knowingly sold the lies about it, is now stuck in a quagmire of his own making. Those who bought the bullshit about a quick, easy Brexit are now blaming MPs for not delivering it rather than accepting that what they were sold does not exist.

Remember when one fast food chain ran out of chicken. People called the police.

Yeah. Wow.

This is gonna be one hell of a car crash.

jasjas1973

Of course you did lol!

What?! You mean you don't believe Pineapple was a Remain voter? 😂

So you know how boris' plan is to have an election right after we leave, deal or no deal? He basically wants us to out him and bring in labour, so they can deal with the mess and we blame them.

I think for that reason and this document, we need to make sure he stays in power and go down in history as the biggest bellend anyone has ever seen in Britain. He shouldn't get away with doing this to us, he can deal with the riots, the problems, everything. He will fuck it up but do would corbyn. May as well blame the right person.

Worst case scenario. Yet some of you remoaners are treating it as what's going to happen

Even if 25% of it happens, it's a problem isn't it? And there is NO mandate for a no deal Brexit. None at all. As has been stated ad Infinitum on here, the Leave campaign said we wouldn't leave suddenly, without a deal.

Thank goodness MPs have finally woken up -although of course Johnson then suspends parliament. Having arguments with my husband who says the English court decision is right and we can't have judges deciding political issues, whereas I say the Scottish decision is right. Joanna Cherry was correct yesterday on C4 news when she said that you can't have a situation where the British PM can suspend parliament any time s/he feels like it because s/he doesn't like what MPs are doing. But DH says there should have been a GE to resolve it. I say we need a referendum, without no deal on the paper. May's deal or no Brexit. You can't ask people to vote for something that is so damaging you don't want to implement it (unless you are JRM or Johnson's brother in Hong Kong).

Do people really still think this is the worst case scenario?

Yes;

"Karen Wheeler, who stepped down as director general for border coordination at HM Revenue and Customs in June, told a committee of MPs the government had estimated that after a no-deal Brexit the “flow rate” of trucks exporting goods to the EU via Calais could drop to 40-60%."

"She said the assessment, part of the government’s Operation Yellowhammer contingency planning, represented the “reasonable worst case scenario”

"In the reasonable best case scenario, the flow rate could be as high as 70-80% of current levels, she said." But even in those circumstances, which seem just as unlikely as a reasonable worst case, you would still get delays,” she said.

She said the government had estimated that as many as 20% of the 10,000 trucks a day that go through the port of Dover may not have the right documents to pass customs checks that will be introduced in France after a no-deal Brexit.

Bearing in mind though that Karen Wheeler stepped down from her position in June and we have stepped up 'no-deal' contingency planning since then.

"Also appearing giving evidence were James Hookham, deputy chief executive of the Freight Transport Association"

"He said the FTA did not expect major delays to EU imports because the government has said it will not carry out full customs checks at the border immediately after Brexit."

www.civilserviceworld.com/articles/news/border-delays-will-happen-even-best-case-no-deal-ex-hmrc-brexit-official-warns

Facts and practicalities have never been relevant to those who pushed for and those who voted to leave. Boris, who knows when to hop onto a bandwagon

Saw this on FB yesterday, not sure if it's real or not - I tend to view everything posted on FB with suspicion.

Clavinova, that just says what Yellowhammer - the base scenario - says. The worst case scenario is NOT IN THAT DOCUMENT. Even the government has admitted it! So why do you think it is the worst case? Blind faith? Fear?

Blue

So you know how boris' plan is to have an election right after we leave, deal or no deal? He basically wants us to out him and bring in labour, so they can deal with the mess and we blame them.

Cameron got away with it, so Boris thinks he will as well. Shit and run.

Don't tell me you have fallen for the government spin sailingclosetothewind!

Downing Street tried to say it was an old copy that had been leaked by the Treasury but Philip Hammond demanded and received an apology from Bojo when it was discovered that the document was dated August, that is, after the PM was appointed (after Hammond had left office). So it's not out of date and not old news.