to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you

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Just been released

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

And I wonder what Number 15 is. It's been redacted.

So much to highlight:

Impact of food and fuel prices on poorer people.
Impact exacerbated due to winter flu issues at that time of year
Lorries delayed and flow reduced to 40 - 60%

And I'm only on page 1

Yellow hammer is old news and out of date.

So why aren't they publishing the up to date report???

Yellowhammer is one month old. How much do you think has changed since then, really?

so far the department has only been able to finalise continuity agreements with seven of the 69 countries and regions with which the EU has trade deals.

That's not correct - we have signed 13 "continuity" trade deals covering 35 countries, plus mutual recognition agreements with Australia, New Zealand and the US;

www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries-in-a-no-deal-brexit

No it isn’t tennisplaya. It’s the same leaked document with the title changed and Gove has already tripped himself up and admitted it isn’t worst case in front of a select committee.

September sounds either scared of his/her own life, or a psycoanalyst having the fun of his life at our expenses “let me play the irrational deaf and see if others engage with me”

Anyway

Of course that document is only the executive summary of a “risk assessment” (looks like an embryo of a risk assessment, to me) but it’s not the contingency plan.
If there is a plan, it’s made of many different plans from the various sectors (transport, health etc) and its surely not to be shared for security reasons? No bank will ever publish where their servers are, right? Particularly in a time of vulnerability, if you publish “my plan to sort out medicine supply is to have a decorated shipping route through XX port” the first thing an hostile country/a terrorist organisation/your own people when they are desperate are going to just head there.
I hope there is a plan.
....
Is there?

La la la, they can’t hear you.
It’s gonna be great.

This government obviously has NO intention of negotiating anything. They just want to trick the country into believing they do until it's too late.

(Dedicated, not decorated ;-)

HRTFT but I was struck when watching Sky last night by the warning about shortages due to panic buying. The MN Preppers' threads have been full of posters accusing anyone who bought an extra can of beans of being ridiculous catastrophizers, or being the cause of hypothetical future shortages.

I hope there is a plan..... Is there?

Fingers in their ears and heads in the sand, seems to be the plan at the moment...

I am sure they can outline their rough plans - rather than specific details.

e.g How are they planning to reduce the impact of fresh food shortage?
How are they planning to ensure that fuel flows?
How are they planning to ensure that the social care system does not collapse?
How are they planning to ensure that medicines arrive?

If you see an MP, ask them.

These are basic questions in response to this document.

but I was struck when watching Sky last night by the warning about shortages due to panic buying.

Panic buying and stockpiling are very different. What those who have been buying in advance are doing is stockpiling. Buying items now isn't going to cause shortages, as currently shops will be able to restock what has been purchased.

Yellow hammer is pure project fear.
Written by Phillip Hammond’s remain ciVil service dreaming up the worst case scenario. It was complied months and months ago, since then most of the issues have been ironed out by the no deal planning team. You wouldn’t know this to listen to the hysteria biased bbc (Brussels broadcasting company) and sky.

It was leaked in August, and now published as ‘new’ news despite the fact it is out of date.

Remain on steroids

since then most of the issues have been ironed out by the no deal planning team.

Of course they have. oww look a flying pig If they had indeed ironed out the issues, they would be crowing about it from the rooftops.

It is dated 2 August. Seriously, it is. The same people are involved in no deal preparation now as when Philip Hammond was in charge of the Treasury. By the way, the Treasury is not the department for exiting the EU. You're embarrassing yourself.

Wow, what a relief.
Calm down everyone, *sailingclosetothewind” knows it’s all going to be fine after all. Thank you!
We can all stop worrying and get on with our lives unimpeeded.

(Also, it's HM's civil service, not Philip Hammond's... the idea that it is a hotbed of people refusing to do their jobs properly because they voted remain is both hilarious given it comprises tens of thousands of people and frankly insulting. These are dedicated professionals who by and large are just doing their jobs to the best of their ability. Lots of them even voted Leave, I'm sure.)

Sailing close- fantastic care to share with the rest of the group how those issues have been ironed out now? I’m sure that would put everyone’s mind at rest

Don’t be unreasonable Zippy. Clap your hands very fast and Be-leave. That will do it, you’ll see.

Written by Phillip Hammond’s remain ciVil service dreaming up the worst case scenario. It was complied months and months ago, since then most of the issues have been ironed out by the no deal planning team

They were published by the GOVERNMENT.

The very aggressively ‘no deal’ government.

Where are the documents that show all the ironing out that’s being going on? You and I and everyone knows that they don’t exist. Otherwise they’d be throwing them from the rooftops in glee.

The stupidity of people in this country would make you weep

Just revoke article 50 and let the brexiters riot.

There’ll be riots either way. So I’ll take the scenario where will have a steady supply of medicine.

What is coming out in this thread is just how profoundly inadequate - as human beings - a lot of the Leave obsessives are. Like all supporters of fascism, what matters the most is that 'others', people who are Not Like Me, suffer the worst and are punished for, oh, well, daring to think that they are human and as deserving of opportunities and decent living conditions as white men and middle-class nonentities, for example.

Let's not forget that someone was murdered as a direct result of pro-Brexit crooks revving up the stupid and vicious.

“The stupidity of people in this country would make you weep hmm”

Just kind of explains how we got into this mess in the first place Laurie

Sailingclosetothewind

If this document is the out of date one, and there is another document that describes in detail how the government is going to mitigate the issues identified, why has the government not issued the later document?

You would have thought that if 'most of the issues have been ironed out ' then the government would be shouting this from the rooftops, as they are always keen to show how well-prepared they are. At the very least, a document that explains the possible risks and the measures that the government has taken to mitigate these risks would be reassuring for the population.

Instead we had Leadsom on TV yesterday stating 'Documents warning of food, fuel and medicine shortages after a no-deal Brexit should be kept secret because they will scare people.'