to ask you to read Operation Yellowhammer documents and see for yourself how Brexit will impact you

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Just been released

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

And I wonder what Number 15 is. It's been redacted.

So much to highlight:

Impact of food and fuel prices on poorer people.
Impact exacerbated due to winter flu issues at that time of year
Lorries delayed and flow reduced to 40 - 60%

And I'm only on page 1

+It's absolute madness that people are still arguing to leave. Why is the idea of winning more important than actually facing the reality of what will happen. [grr]*

This.

I find it utterly astonishing that so many people are reacting to this with the cognitive and emotional sophistication of a small child (‘but I WANT it! NOW!’). Conveniently batting away facts and explanations of major risks as fear mongering, just because it didn’t square with what they wanted. Apparently three years is not enough time to be able to perform a mental turn-around in the face of dire new facts.

september from your post waving the flag of death penalty you come across as...not a nice person. But that’s ok. At least you are in the open.
The Brits that go and vomit all over Spain or east Europe during their drunk stag/hen do are all beautiful violets and perfect gentlemen. There is not really any British-born criminality. No no. All fake news.
You have a right to your opinions and I’ll defend your right to express them freely, even if I don’t agree with them. But my opinion formed on your posts is that you’re a gullible person with a selfish attitude, if you think no deal is worth a SINGLE person in this country risking their life for lack of otherwise perfectly available medication

It's nothing we didn't suspect over on westminstenders for the past years but was dismissed as project fear. I wonder how many Leavers are now thinking oh shit?

Why did the British government not talk about deals
Because we’d had enough of experts, apparently.

The sensible thing to do would be to kick the can massively down the road by revoking Article 50 which stops the countdown clock then hold a second referendum. If the outcome is still Leave then a cross-party team is formed and sent to Brussels to work long-term on gradually withdrawing the UK from the EU over a period of several years so that it's done as seamlessly as possible. While this is going on over there, domestically work is done to heal the divisions in the country with investment in the NHS, education, infrastructure, etc.

Unfortunately no one in power is acting in a very sensible way.

@BercowsFlyingFlamingo None, I suspect - they’ll all be convinced it’s those nasty remain rebels scaremongering and trying to tarnish Boris.

Yea, I suspect that the reality of the situation won’t hit most of the firm Brexiteers until they can’t afford to eat, there’s no fuel and people around them are dying from lack of essential medicines.

Oh well, I mean this seems a small price to pay really. I’m sure when the worst happens that it will somehow be the fault of those who voted to remain.

I hope I am wrong and that everything will be fine but I’m worried.

*@Venger *
The sensible thing to do would be to kick the can massively down the road by revoking Article 50 which stops the countdown clock then hold a second referendum. If the outcome is still Leave then a cross-party team is formed and sent to Brussels to work long-term on gradually withdrawing the UK from the EU over a period of several years so that it's done as seamlessly as possible. While this is going on over there, domestically work is done to heal the divisions in the country with investment in the NHS, education, infrastructure, etc.

I'm an ardent remainer but I'd accept that as is the most sensible idea. If only those in charge had half a brain.

Ask yourself.

23.21 is the post, I m also vehemently agaisnt using the r word as an insult.

It's usually Remainers that use degenerating language and tactics to abuse leavers. Don't drag the side down.

Like the previous poster who said my written English is so bad I must be an immigrant! Nice! Many immigrants have amazing English.
Put it this way, my family is at least half European if not more. I've said in past, many longer residing eu members have been just as frustrated as anyone else by our membership of the eu.

Your turn of phrase matters not a shiny shit. Do you want this or not? If you want No Deal, this is on you.
There are other ways to Brexit. Don't be conned that this is the only way.

It's nothing we didn't suspect over on westminstenders for the past years but was dismissed as project fear. I wonder how many Leavers are now thinking oh shit

I am glad this is being discussed on AIBU - which has more traffic - than being hidden on the Brexit topic.

This is a massively important area - and too much discussion over the last 3 years has been hidden on a specialist topic area. Luckily more and more issues are coming to the attention of the wider community.

I suspect that the reality of the situation won’t hit most of the firm Brexiteers until they can’t afford to eat, there’s no fuel and people around them are dying from lack of essential medicines.

But it will all be the nasty EU's fault, of course, so we would still have been right to leave the mean bullies who refuse to break their rules to give us everything we ask for.

There are other ways to Brexit. Don't be conned that this is the only way.

As was said by Sir Humphrey. if we must do this damn stupid thing, don't do it in this damn stupid way.

Cherin, beautiful mis interpretation of my post

I'm pointing out that all I see on here is very much case of 'my life matters', but I'm not so worried about the lives lost already as a consequence of being in the eu.

If your going to start throwing stuff at leave posters like... 'we're all going to die and starve don't you care...' my response is that I don't want anyone to die or starve, however people have died as a result of the eu project.

So... What about them? Or perhaps they were just sad casualties that had to sacrificed on the altar of the eu because a theatre was built with eu money in tyneside and someone here works in the eu!

It just makes me cringe when people use death as an argument. People in the UK have died and been bludgeoned to death or violently attacked by people who should never ever been allowed in the UK!

And people have been run over by buses.
This clearly means we should stop running buses!

Can you tell me how many cases there have been of UK citizens bludgeoned to death by EU nationals, please @Septembersunrays ?

If we compare that to the murder rate of crimes committed by UK nationals, even if we just look at rates of bludgeoning, what do you think those two numbers will tell us....?

Tolleshunt

Your posts are full of degenerative language towards posters with different pov to you. You are coming across as one of those terrifying Remainers who would happily deny a vote to thousands, millions of people because you don't think they deserve one.

people have died as a result of the eu project.

It just makes me cringe when people use death as an argument

I bet this won't change a single Leave voters mind. There's a documentary on Netflix called Beyond the Curve about flat earthers. There is no evidence that can convince them the earth is round, even when their own experiments show this, they remind me of Leave voters.

Brexit is a cult.

y response is that I don't want anyone to die or starve, however people have died as a result of the eu project

I understand that you feel aggrieved by the EU project. Can you understand the worries that many people on here will have reading this document. The concerns over medicines especially, given 75% arrive via the EU.

“People have been bludgeoned to death”
Where exactly do you live in the U.K.????
Where I live, it’s british kids stabbing each other in broad daylight. AFAIK they don’t have EU passports. And AFAIK if their homes gets even poorer, their gang activities is just going to get more desperate and not even the 20.000policemen we’ve been even promised will help

@Septembersunrays the attached graphic is from the Office of National Statistics, using figures by the Ministry of Justice. As you can see, the rate of foreign nationals in UK prisons has been faking in recent years, is less than 10% of criminals in the UK, and this figure covers ALL crime from fraud and shoplifting to “bludgeoning”, and includes all foreign nationals, not just EU nationals. If you then compare that to the figures for people in prison for rape and murder as a proportion of the prison population, and the rate of EU nationals vs other foreign nationals in the uk, the figure for violent attacks, murders and bludgeonings comes out at just over 1%.

Smile, your post and all the posts like yours which contain the words, no evidence... Prove that so many of you on here do. Not. Read. Or read but reject anything you read that doesn't concur with your arguments.

How can you not know about the killing over the years from eu nationals. Having said that I must say if you only read the guardian you may have missed them.

But how can you not know! I could waste my time googling to bring up names etc but why don't you? Your expending energy getting worked up about yellowhammer.. Why not read about all the deaths before?

And modern slavery, gang masters across eu mainly from poor former communist countries, shipping vulnerable people to work all over eu including UK.