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AIBU to be seriously annoyed with DH's parents?

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SunshineAngel · 10/09/2019 21:29

DH has custody of his 16yo son, and the mother has access at weekends and half of the holidays. They alternate Christmases (and the other gets New Year).

This year, it's our year for Christmas, which we were looking forward to.

DH's mum has decided that herself and her partner are going away for NY this year, on a cruise. Apparently, my partner's son asked them could he go with them (he has no concept of money etc, but then again what 16yo does?) to which they said yes.

We only even got informed about this as soon as we did because they need to pay the balance, and they have asked us for £1,000 for his ticket for the week long cruise before the end of this month, and have asked us to also supply £200 spending money for him at the time.

We are not well off. They know we have £10,000 between us in savings, however the whole house desperately needs to be decorated, including a new bathroom and garden, and I don't want to spend ALL of our savings anyway. £1,200 is a huge amount out of that, yet they have worked it out among themselves that yes, he can go, and yes, we will pay. I am able to save a small amount from my wage each month, but my partner's wage is taken up by his outgoings. He had to pay DS's mother the equivalent of half of the house when they split, and has a huge mortgage as a result, and took a new job with a pay cut last year (much happier, but not as well off) so it's even more of a struggle.

The other issue that my partner raised immediately is that DS's mum should have him for New Year, and there's no way she would be happy when she found out about the holiday, as she's often difficult anyway, and would be well within her right to be with this. They responded saying they had already spoken to her and arranged for DS to spend Christmas with her as a compromise.

So not only are they asking us for a huge amount of money, but they have also decided that my partner actually doesn't get to see his own son for the whole of the Christmas holiday, when he should have been with us. Christmas is a very important time IMO, and I don't understand why they think they can take this away from us.

Just to add insult to injury, I received £3,000 in inheritance recently, and DH's mum has suggested that I can perhaps use that. I don't mean to sound selfish - and I happily give him money here and there if he wants to go to the cinema or out for some food or something - but I'm annoyed enough at the whole situation, and feel that it is even more out of order to suggest that MY inheritance should be used to pay for it. I never EVER pull this card, it's not something I dwell on whatsoever, but I am of the mindset that he's not my son, so how DARE they ask me for such a huge amount, or expect that I should just hand it over without question.

I think it's a shocking amount of money for a week's holiday anyway, but it's not an issue to them.

I just find the whole thing hugely irritating, not to mention worrying. Yes, I've been given this money, but I was planning on paying one of my credit cards off, which would really lighten my load if I could! It's not like I'm rolling in it. I have debts, which I am doing really well with, but I want them to be gone ASAP.

But now we're in the situation of having to try and get this money together (it will leave us short for what we need to do on the house - which DS will benefit from much more than a week's cruise, IMO) before the end of the month. Before I moved in, my partner had struggled with depression and had a difficult relationship with his ex, and as such things really slipped with the house, for years. I've helped him get himself back up on his feet, we're doing really well, and now we're creating a house that's truly ours, together.

I feel DH's mum should have ASKED us first, before telling him he could go with them.. as he's already really excited, and we would feel incredibly bad if it turned out he couldn't go, because of us.

We CAN do it, but AIBU to think that we really shouldn't have to?

OP posts:
Idontwanttotalk · 11/09/2019 08:08

@Coyoacan

"I honestly cannot imagine a teenager of any sort enjoying a cruise. Isn't that more of a geriatric activity?"
My nephew went on cruises aged 15 and 17 with his GM and absolutely loved them. He thought it great that she bought him a suit for formal dining.

OP, firstly I would:

  1. Hide stepson's passport (and not mention to anybody).
  2. Ask your partner to speak to his ex and explain that any arrangements and changes to them can only be made by them. Grandparents have no rights and no say in the matter.
  3. As stepson asked to go on cruise with grandparents when it is ex"s turn to have him then, if she agrees to it, she just doesn't see him that week. Your having him for Christmas still stands.
  4. If she wants him to go, then ex needs to sort out financing it with the grandparents.
  5. You and your partner should have a serious talk with stepson and explain that he cannot change custody arrangements, that you are really looking forward to having him with you for Christmas, and discuss the value of money and how yours is earmarked to pay off debts and refurb the house.
  6. Make sure you don't discuss your finances with partner's parents. Fine to discuss certain aspects of finance in earshot of stepson but I wouldn't discuss inheritance as teenager may selfishly think it's available to him.

When partner's parents asked you to move nearer to them in their more expensive area, the answer should have been that you can't afford it or are happy where you are. You don't need to prove you can"t afford it by discussing your finances in great detail. It has sweet FA to do with them.

Your partner needs to set firm boundaries with his CF parents in all areas of life and definitely not reimburse them when they buy things for stepson.

I'd actually suggest you go very low contact with them until they toe the line. If they don't then I'd go no contact.

HugoSpritz · 11/09/2019 08:10

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Totalwasteofpaper · 11/09/2019 08:14

Tell them to fuck off in no uncertain terms.

I’d highlight under their logic they “cannot 100% love” their grandson if they aren’t willing to pay for the cruise.
And they “cannot 100% love” their son if they aren’t willing to pay for your renovation / a new house / a unicorn....

You have much bigger issues than the cruise though. the clothing thing is INSANE
Totally inappropriate and not normal.
They have no respect for your boundaries.

And if they actually wanted why was best for you all they would either let you all stay at home together or treat the three of you so I don’t know... your DH could actually spend Christmas with his child....

Iamdobby63 · 11/09/2019 08:15

What utterly selfish behaviour on their part, no thought on how you or your husband would feel about missing out on Christmas with DS!

Why do they disrespect your husband so much to not even run this by him prior to saying yes to grandson?

Selfish, selfish, selfish. If this was me then the relationship would never be the same again.

KUGA · 11/09/2019 08:16

keep your money in the bank.
They invited him therefore they pay.
A nice touch would be to give him a little spending money.

Shoxfordian · 11/09/2019 08:20

Your dh needs to start asserting himself immediately.

Wow

WhatchaMaCalllit · 11/09/2019 08:21

Just adding to this, if you have inherited £3k, and you are not married to the father of the boy who wants to go on the cruise with his grandparents, then they can swing for any part of that money. It's yours and yours alone. It's none of their business if you inherited £3k or £3m, it's not theirs to decide what to do with.

I am also jumping on the bandwagon where either your DP or you gets in touch with the grandparents and explain to them in plain English that the DAD decides what the SON is doing and if the Grandparents want their Grandson on holiday or want to provide clothes or whatever for their Grandson, they are to spend their own money on it and not come with the poor hand after the fact. They have to change their ways and in this instance, it is absolutely not possible to be charging you for Grandson to go on a cruise with his grandparents. No way. No how.

Best of luck with it!

fluffiphlox · 11/09/2019 08:25

£1000 for a Christmas cruise? Sounds a bit cheap to me.

ScrommidgeClaryAndSpunt · 11/09/2019 08:27

they keep saying we can't love him enough if we can't part with some of our savings

That is bang out of order. But flipping it on its head, they obviously can't love him enough if they aren't willing to treat him.

Fretfulparent · 11/09/2019 08:27

We recently went on a lovely 2w cruise. It cost £420 for an extra adult in our cabin.
£1000 for 1 week is completely extortionate.
Check the costs yourself.
On another thought. See how much it would be for the 3 of you to go ...

greatvengeanceandfuriousanger · 11/09/2019 08:31

Don't show them this thread it won't end well

If they agreed to the holiday without you they should pay.

In this circumstance, Grandparents should not be discussing changes in arrangements with their son's ex. If she has agreed to the holiday without consulting your partner maybe she could chip in to help the grandparents out?

I would not be happy with the swap in days which means you don't get to see dss on the main holiday days. I wouldn't make arrangements with anyone other than a parent and this is something your partner needs to agree with his ex.

At 16 I would take dss's wishes into account regarding where he'd like to spend Christmas.

For me the money would be a separate issue. Nobody should be commenting on how you should spend your inheritance and money. I wouldn't talk about this with my ILs in the first place. If you wanted to spend £1200 on a holiday, something you all could enjoy would be better.

ShirleyPhallus · 11/09/2019 08:33

I can’t understand a 16 year old wanting to go on a cruise!

Nonmerci · 11/09/2019 08:33

He can only go if they pay and if DH gets to spend some of Christmas with his DS too. So maybe the Mum has him Christmas Eve/day and Dad sees him Boxing Day.

That would be my ‘compromise’, I definitely wouldn’t be paying for this. Utterly selfish of them.

Nonmerci · 11/09/2019 08:34

@ShirleyPhallus I agree with you on that, especially with their Grandparents!

Rivkka · 11/09/2019 08:37

Just say no.

Say you wouldn't spend that on a holiday for yourself and won't pay it for a child.

blackandsilver · 11/09/2019 08:39

Seems to be a pretty resounding response already that you should absolutely not be paying for this. To the person above who said “you have 10k in savings and now he’s been added on, so you’ll just need to pay it” - who in their right mind just “adds” a teenager to a holiday without discussing it with the parent who they are expecting to pay for it?! And then demands £1k?? If the grandparents can’t see the issue with this then it’s them who should be chalking this up to experience and losing any deposit or taking on the grandson’s cost themselves. The savings are absolutely nothing to do with anyone else and what the OP and her partner plan to spend that on is their business and nobody else’s. And who just decides to change Christmas arrangements for a grandchild, again without discussing with the parent who would be losing out on that time?! You shouldn’t be the one to lose out here, financially or in terms of time spent with your partner’s son.

jessycake · 11/09/2019 08:42

What do they have in savings ? and how would they like you to dictate how they spend it . I think what they have done is reckless and unfair on your DH especially to go behind your backs to his Ex , which could also cause problems for him .

MrKlaw · 11/09/2019 08:44

DS asking if he can go on NY cruise? Absolutely fine. He's getting old enough to make some choices and its nice he may want to spend some time with the GPs.

but it should have stopped at the grandparents - 'yes we'd love to bring you along but its expensive and isn't it the same time as you'd be with your mum? Let us talk to your parents first

All of this has come from the GPs inability to check things before booking. Can't believe not only did they book, but apparantly didn't inform you through to the point the balance needed paying! How they or your DS didn't mention anything I don't know.

So its in their court. Options that I can see, roughly in order of how I'd prioritise

  1. tough titties, they pay
  2. he doesn't go, they lose their deposit (if they can't afford to pay this may be the more affordable option
  3. All three parties involved agree to chip in 1/3 - but agree that this should not have happened and should be checked in the future before any money is spent
MrsMozartMkII · 11/09/2019 08:44

The answer is "No". Repeat ad nauseam.

And do not be guilt tripped into spending money you can't afford. That's barking.

FinallyHere · 11/09/2019 08:48

It's fair enough that the GP have at best mishandled this situation but it really is time for DP to step up and enforce that boundary.

By all means acknowledge that he was grateful for their help when he needed it but now he is well again and takes responsibility for his DC.

If they do not step back, he needs to enforce that he and his ex are responsible for DC. Nothing happens without his authority

It's sounds as if his parents are treating him and his son as siblings. Thus is up to him to resolve.

When you are cross with the GPs bear in mind that it is your partner who is allowing them to trample over his boundaries. Two hours on the phone arguing his case is not the way forward.

StressyDressyHeels · 11/09/2019 08:53

Do not pay.

Nobody gets to spend your money without consulting you!

NearlyGranny · 11/09/2019 09:03

Very high-handed behaviour on the part of the GPs. No consultation with either p or sp and riding roughshod through firm arrangements, not to mention demands for money backed up with emotional blackmail. More boundaries breached than a test match.

Your DH has to step up and deal with this, not you. The moment you get involved, you lay yourself open to being the scapegoat for everyone. The fairytale role is right there waiting for you to pick up. Resist!

Your voice has to be heard by one person only; your DH. You have a small inheritance and jointly you have savings which you have accrued for your own purposes through your own hard work. Even if DH does cave in to pressure, he will still need your consent to dip into those savings. If he does this without your consent - don't be bullied - he needs to know you will be saving separately from now on. You cannot be paying into a joint savings account that is raided against your will.

Both of you just need to hold firm, I think: he against his parents' pressure; you against his which he is passing on from them.

The answer is to disengage from all discussion. "No" on a loop every time they call, followed by "You have had my answer, it won't change, this conversation is over, goodbye."

That really is all it takes. You might need to take the same tack with him, though not over the phone. He might need to take it with his DS.

I implore you not to get involved in discussions with anyone but DH. And he must not hide behind your skirts when dealing with his DS and DP either, making out that he'd love to but you said no! Your no must be clear and joint and indivisible as well as short.

It strikes me that these GPs have hit on the ideal way to lob a hand grenade into at least four other lives and two households here. Their tactic sets husband against wife, son against father, father against mother (his ex) mother against sm if you get involved. Classic divide and conquer. This has to have been deliberately planned.

The line must be, "You booked this without consultation or consent. If you want to do it you must fund it 100%. You must negotiate with child's mother." Though DS's parents must inform school, (if he goes and misses any).

The absolute bottom line, of course, is that he is technically a child and the GPs need parental approval to take him abroad. Your DH and his ex can withold that.

Once the heat is off, some discussion between the middle generation here could set up agreed responses if there is ever a repeat.

DSS, too, needs to see he has been unfairly manipulated to create conflict among you and could usefully be taught a few strategies for dealing with the sort of pressure he has been put under. Something like saying, "Nice idea, Gran and Granddad, talk to mum and dad first and then get back to me." and, "It's up to them how they spend their money, not you."

Good luck - I feel you're going to need it!

QueSera · 11/09/2019 09:06

If DH's parents won't pay for it, and you can't afford it (you have debts and house works that need doing), then he doesn't go on the cruise. Disappointing for him that the grandparents promised him something they refuse to pay for, but that's reality.

LannieDuck · 11/09/2019 09:07

Is there an unusual family dynamic going on here, where the GPs acted in loco parentis to DS for years whilst your DH had depression?

So they got used to making decisions for him, buying things he needed, making access arrangements with exwife etc, whilst your DH didn't/couldn't?

It would explain why a 16 yo boy is so keen to go on a cruise with his GPs, if he sees them as parental figures.

SunshineCake · 11/09/2019 09:08

YANBU. Only read OP so far.

At 16 he is old enough to understand he can't have everything he wants and just because you have the money, doesn't mean someone else gets to spend it.

Why anyone knows you have savings and an inheritance is ridiculous and you are silly to tell them.

I would say no.

He invited himself without thinking of the financial consequences.

It's your savings

It's your inheritance

His mum misses new year.

You miss Christmas.

Just no.