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AIBU to be seriously annoyed with DH's parents?

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SunshineAngel · 10/09/2019 21:29

DH has custody of his 16yo son, and the mother has access at weekends and half of the holidays. They alternate Christmases (and the other gets New Year).

This year, it's our year for Christmas, which we were looking forward to.

DH's mum has decided that herself and her partner are going away for NY this year, on a cruise. Apparently, my partner's son asked them could he go with them (he has no concept of money etc, but then again what 16yo does?) to which they said yes.

We only even got informed about this as soon as we did because they need to pay the balance, and they have asked us for £1,000 for his ticket for the week long cruise before the end of this month, and have asked us to also supply £200 spending money for him at the time.

We are not well off. They know we have £10,000 between us in savings, however the whole house desperately needs to be decorated, including a new bathroom and garden, and I don't want to spend ALL of our savings anyway. £1,200 is a huge amount out of that, yet they have worked it out among themselves that yes, he can go, and yes, we will pay. I am able to save a small amount from my wage each month, but my partner's wage is taken up by his outgoings. He had to pay DS's mother the equivalent of half of the house when they split, and has a huge mortgage as a result, and took a new job with a pay cut last year (much happier, but not as well off) so it's even more of a struggle.

The other issue that my partner raised immediately is that DS's mum should have him for New Year, and there's no way she would be happy when she found out about the holiday, as she's often difficult anyway, and would be well within her right to be with this. They responded saying they had already spoken to her and arranged for DS to spend Christmas with her as a compromise.

So not only are they asking us for a huge amount of money, but they have also decided that my partner actually doesn't get to see his own son for the whole of the Christmas holiday, when he should have been with us. Christmas is a very important time IMO, and I don't understand why they think they can take this away from us.

Just to add insult to injury, I received £3,000 in inheritance recently, and DH's mum has suggested that I can perhaps use that. I don't mean to sound selfish - and I happily give him money here and there if he wants to go to the cinema or out for some food or something - but I'm annoyed enough at the whole situation, and feel that it is even more out of order to suggest that MY inheritance should be used to pay for it. I never EVER pull this card, it's not something I dwell on whatsoever, but I am of the mindset that he's not my son, so how DARE they ask me for such a huge amount, or expect that I should just hand it over without question.

I think it's a shocking amount of money for a week's holiday anyway, but it's not an issue to them.

I just find the whole thing hugely irritating, not to mention worrying. Yes, I've been given this money, but I was planning on paying one of my credit cards off, which would really lighten my load if I could! It's not like I'm rolling in it. I have debts, which I am doing really well with, but I want them to be gone ASAP.

But now we're in the situation of having to try and get this money together (it will leave us short for what we need to do on the house - which DS will benefit from much more than a week's cruise, IMO) before the end of the month. Before I moved in, my partner had struggled with depression and had a difficult relationship with his ex, and as such things really slipped with the house, for years. I've helped him get himself back up on his feet, we're doing really well, and now we're creating a house that's truly ours, together.

I feel DH's mum should have ASKED us first, before telling him he could go with them.. as he's already really excited, and we would feel incredibly bad if it turned out he couldn't go, because of us.

We CAN do it, but AIBU to think that we really shouldn't have to?

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pollymere · 14/09/2019 11:12

I can imagine my PIL trying to do this to ours. If they could afford two places on an expensive cruise then they probably had the ability to pay for a third. Of course they should've run it past you before inviting him. You've done the right thing and don't be emotionally blackmailed into believing you owe them any money at all. It was cruel of them to invite him in the first place.

SunshineAngel · 14/09/2019 12:04

So now they're being nasty because we've said we would take him next year. They're questioning how - when we have no money to spare - we would be able to take him. I just said because there's a bit of a different being able to save up from our wages for a whole year, as we can actively seek overtime, from being told we had to hand over the money in two weeks!

So they've said how about they pay for him now then, and we pay them back over the course of the next year. To which I said oh well you said you couldn't afford to pay for him.. and she replied "we have the money, it's just for other things" which is laughable, as that was EXACTLY my point about OUR savings!

They are now sulking because apparently they've always wanted to take him to NY (first I've heard of it) and they don't think it's fair that we'll be stealing his first time. As far as I see it, grandparents have no right to any "firsts". They've DONE theirs with their own kids.

So now they're saying they might gift him the holiday as a Christmas present.

This is now only to make us look back, and to spoil the trip they were planning - plus it then brings back up the issue of where he spends Christmas.

Considering he would need a parental letter of consent to take with him, DH is thinking about saying he won't get one, in which case he couldn't go.

They are doing this now to be nasty, and awkward, and rub our noses in it, and spoil the plans that we're making.

But yet I don't see how we can say no if they're thinking about paying.

What ALSO annoys me is that DH's son is getting phonecalls about this from them "we might do this" or "we might do that". He shouldn't be involved in this AT all. It should be DH and his parents until a proper decision has been made, or it's just not fair.

We thought they had cancelled it, but it turns out now they were hedging their bets in case we would change our mind, which we didn't, and now they're coming out with all this crap.

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SunshineAngel · 14/09/2019 12:05

God my spelling is so awful when I'm ranting. Hopefully anyone still interested will understand all of the above crap!

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Janek · 14/09/2019 12:11

Didn't you say earlier on that you could ALL go, for very little more than the cost of him going with them? That's another compelling argument for you not paying (not that you need one).

AnotherEmma · 14/09/2019 12:14

JUST SAY NO. He is not going with them this year (or indeed ever) even if the pay. It's not just about the money. Certainly not any more. It's the appalling way they have gone over your heads to make all the arrangements. It's the way they think they're more entitled than HIS PARENTS to make decisions about how he is going to spend his time including crucial time like Christmas and new year.

Have you read Susan Forward yet?

AnotherEmma · 14/09/2019 12:14

even if they pay

Cherrysoup · 14/09/2019 12:20

Dh needs to tell them that communication now comes through him and that they will not be paying/arranging any holiday for ds. You will totally lose all the ground you have gained if you now allow them to pay. They’re being ridiculous. Tell them to back off, this is their grandchild, they have no right to arrange holidays for him or anything else for that matter. Ask dh to step up properly nd not cave or they’ll take you for mugs.

bluebeck · 14/09/2019 12:28

So now they're being nasty because we've said we would take him next year.

How did they find out? Did DSS tell them? If it was you or DH you need to learn not to give information to people like this - they will weaponize it.

DSS is 16, not 6. Of course he would rather spend the holidays in NYC rather than with his parents, there cannot be many teenagers who wouldn't have the same reaction given that option.

However, the GPs are totally out of order. I would be inclined to cut them off after this. If DH wants to communicate with them that's up to him but I couldn't be arsed with all this tedious drama.

I don't think DH should refuse to allow DSS to travel, that could be counter productive. I would say to DSS that if he goes on this cruise, you will not be going next year as well, but it's his choice. Obviously only so long as GPs are paying for EVERYTHING.

mankyfourthtoe · 14/09/2019 12:48

Where's his passport?
If they want to take him and pay for it all inc spends and it's not impacting on your contact time and if he actually wants to go and if I won't be buying fancy clothes and shoes for the trip then I probably wouldn't care.

Cannotresist · 14/09/2019 13:16

@SunshineAngel a 16 year old doesn’t need consent from those with PR to travel.

Tell them if they want to gift the holiday that’s fine but you position in respect of Christmas doesn’t change

On a cruise he will not be in Manhattan unless it’s cruise stay and fly back

LovePoppy · 14/09/2019 13:25

Stop telling them your plans. They will try to ruin everything

You said no. Hold to it.

LovePoppy · 14/09/2019 13:26

Also, stop paying them back when they buy things. That’s their choice.

Disfordarkchocolate · 14/09/2019 13:35

Heres me thinking this is a great outcome, so much better for a teen than a cruise. And now your PIL butt back in with some new way of messing up your relationship. Are they mad, don't they see the harm they are doing?

GabsAlot · 14/09/2019 13:40

Theyre playing the guilt trip on you now it will all turn out to be your fault because theyre paying-nasty pieces of work using their grandson like that

A 16 year old will be bored on a 4 day at sea cruise trust me ione day was bad enough for me at 20

AnotherEmma · 14/09/2019 14:03

What LovePoppy said. It was an error telling them about your plans to save up and take him yourselves next year. (Of course it's a better plan; it also means that you and DH will get to go as well.) You really need to limit communication from now on, keep it to small talk and essentials. Google "grey rock".

Hidingtonothing · 14/09/2019 14:12

How honest are you and DH being with DSS about what's been happening OP? It sounds like GP's are using him as a pawn in all this and I'm wondering whether someone needs to be stepping in and protecting him in some way tbh. He is only 16 and probably not really emotionally equipped to deal with the level of headfuckery GP's seem intent on doling out, I just wonder whether someone (either DH or DSS's DM by rights) needs to be stepping in at this stage to stop GP's involving him directly.

It just feels a bit like he's getting pulled from pillar to post by pressure from GP's followed by a more reasonable approach/solution from you and DH, followed by more pressure from GP's and it doesn't seem like that cycle is going to stop unless someone makes it. I think either of DSS's parents would be justified in either insisting that all further discussions about NY are between the adults only or that a final decision is made immediately and discussion ceases altogether because it's not fair on DSS to let GP's keep putting him in the middle.

BackforGood · 14/09/2019 17:05

What ALSO annoys me is that DH's son is getting phonecalls about this from them "we might do this" or "we might do that". He shouldn't be involved in this AT all. It should be DH and his parents until a proper decision has been made, or it's just not fair.

Whilst he has fallen out with them anyone, your dh should step up and tell this to them straight. They need to have it spelled out for them that ANY arrangements need to be run past you before being put to him. It is really unfair of them to use him as some sort of emotional pawn. Get him to say that if they had come to you with that plan in the first place, then you could talk, but the way they have gone about it means any possiblitiy of working something out, is now completely off the table.
Nor would I be telling them of your plans, tbh.

PooWillyBumBum · 14/09/2019 17:28

One thing that stands out is that they know so much about your finances. I hope this is a lesson to you not to discuss details of savings and inheritances?

It would be a no from me. We holiday as a family and we choose where we spend our hard earned ££

littleduckeggblue · 14/09/2019 17:38

Absolutly NO WAY would I be paying for her to take my child on holiday. If she wants to take him then she pays!!!

littleduckeggblue · 14/09/2019 17:43

What the hell? Why do they charge husband for clothes? Does the mother pay maintenance?

littleduckeggblue · 14/09/2019 17:46

Sorry I misread, thought it was DS mother taking him away.

Sweetpeach3 · 14/09/2019 17:55

If they've spoke to him about it and said yes before even speaking to you then no they should pay and to arrange the change with his mum also. They should pay! I would be so pissed off if my MIL suggested I pay off my inheritance for my SC because you do enough for him when he's with you (I guess you do the cooking and washing and cleaning etc...)
If they said they discussed it and said he can come and they will pay but would you supply spends then that's fair enough but anything else no.

And DS should expect nothing for Christmas really if your having to fork out for this trip so make him choose then the money you would of spent at Xmas use to the trip and ask his mum to do his spends if he wants it so much? As she's happy for him to go and do the swap at Xmas and new year.
YANBU

Motoko · 14/09/2019 18:51

I think it would be a good idea for the GPs to be blocked from DSS' phone. Explain to him that they are using him to emotionally manipulate you all, to get their own way. Educate him about coercive control, and that it's so serious, it has been made illegal, so they are using criminal behaviour to get what they want.

wibbletooth · 14/09/2019 18:53

Just out of interest is dds at school? Or doing an apprenticeship?

How would the dates the the GP are proposing he goes away fit into the school holidays/getting leave from work/apprenticeship?
Could be another way to stop the cruise happening this year.

Ditto what is the weather like around that time of year? More precisely - how rough will the seas be? I love cruising but wouldn’t want to be doing it somewhere where it could be cold and rough! (Well maybe if going to the Antarctic but around somewhere that you could easily visit in nice weather with smooth seas!).

Naillig222 · 14/09/2019 19:01

Apologies if this has been mentioned before because I haven't read the entire thread but why do his parents know what savings and inheritance you have. That is no business of anyone except you and your DH. I'd be keeping that sort of information from them in future, especially if they're going to try and dictate how you spend it.