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AIBU to be seriously annoyed with DH's parents?

322 replies

SunshineAngel · 10/09/2019 21:29

DH has custody of his 16yo son, and the mother has access at weekends and half of the holidays. They alternate Christmases (and the other gets New Year).

This year, it's our year for Christmas, which we were looking forward to.

DH's mum has decided that herself and her partner are going away for NY this year, on a cruise. Apparently, my partner's son asked them could he go with them (he has no concept of money etc, but then again what 16yo does?) to which they said yes.

We only even got informed about this as soon as we did because they need to pay the balance, and they have asked us for £1,000 for his ticket for the week long cruise before the end of this month, and have asked us to also supply £200 spending money for him at the time.

We are not well off. They know we have £10,000 between us in savings, however the whole house desperately needs to be decorated, including a new bathroom and garden, and I don't want to spend ALL of our savings anyway. £1,200 is a huge amount out of that, yet they have worked it out among themselves that yes, he can go, and yes, we will pay. I am able to save a small amount from my wage each month, but my partner's wage is taken up by his outgoings. He had to pay DS's mother the equivalent of half of the house when they split, and has a huge mortgage as a result, and took a new job with a pay cut last year (much happier, but not as well off) so it's even more of a struggle.

The other issue that my partner raised immediately is that DS's mum should have him for New Year, and there's no way she would be happy when she found out about the holiday, as she's often difficult anyway, and would be well within her right to be with this. They responded saying they had already spoken to her and arranged for DS to spend Christmas with her as a compromise.

So not only are they asking us for a huge amount of money, but they have also decided that my partner actually doesn't get to see his own son for the whole of the Christmas holiday, when he should have been with us. Christmas is a very important time IMO, and I don't understand why they think they can take this away from us.

Just to add insult to injury, I received £3,000 in inheritance recently, and DH's mum has suggested that I can perhaps use that. I don't mean to sound selfish - and I happily give him money here and there if he wants to go to the cinema or out for some food or something - but I'm annoyed enough at the whole situation, and feel that it is even more out of order to suggest that MY inheritance should be used to pay for it. I never EVER pull this card, it's not something I dwell on whatsoever, but I am of the mindset that he's not my son, so how DARE they ask me for such a huge amount, or expect that I should just hand it over without question.

I think it's a shocking amount of money for a week's holiday anyway, but it's not an issue to them.

I just find the whole thing hugely irritating, not to mention worrying. Yes, I've been given this money, but I was planning on paying one of my credit cards off, which would really lighten my load if I could! It's not like I'm rolling in it. I have debts, which I am doing really well with, but I want them to be gone ASAP.

But now we're in the situation of having to try and get this money together (it will leave us short for what we need to do on the house - which DS will benefit from much more than a week's cruise, IMO) before the end of the month. Before I moved in, my partner had struggled with depression and had a difficult relationship with his ex, and as such things really slipped with the house, for years. I've helped him get himself back up on his feet, we're doing really well, and now we're creating a house that's truly ours, together.

I feel DH's mum should have ASKED us first, before telling him he could go with them.. as he's already really excited, and we would feel incredibly bad if it turned out he couldn't go, because of us.

We CAN do it, but AIBU to think that we really shouldn't have to?

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BackforGood · 10/09/2019 22:41

I would not be engaging in any argument about this - I would not be paying and that is that.
I would reiterate that he isn't available and that you do not have the money for people to be going on cruises.
I wouldn't engage in details about what saving you have or what you intend to spend it on - that is no-one's business but yours and dh's.
I wouldn't pay for clothes they 'picked out for him' either Hmm. They either choose to get their Grandson some clothes for a present, or they don't - they can't spend your money for you.

DO NOT let them manipulate this money out of you.

Lookingsparkly · 10/09/2019 22:43

Just no!

francienolan · 10/09/2019 22:43

Stay strong, they invited so they should pay.

By the way, I would really not be happy with anyone in the family but my husband knowing our exact financial situation. It's none of their business!

73Sunglasslover · 10/09/2019 22:47

Don't pay a penny. They arranged it without you the least they can do is fund it without you. If you can afford it I'd ask the DS if he wants £200 as a Xmas present so he can take that as spending money and give him that and no other presents. It's awful that you've not got him for Xmas but that might be something you have to stomach in order to make the best of a mess created by your highly odd in-laws.

Whatevskev · 10/09/2019 22:49

They are bat shit crazy

And telling your DH that he doesn’t love his son enough would be more than adequate reason for me to cut them off completely - at least for the time being

He calls them again and says no- no mum and dad it isn’t happening, you do not get to tell me what to spend my money on, you don’t get to re arrange all our Xmas plans and contact time, you don’t get to promise DS something that isn’t realistic and you
Sure as hell don’t tell me I don’t love him.

End of. Tell them no further discussion. Explain to DS they are being pie in the sky. Tell DS mum that contact at xmas will continue as normal.

Don’t speak to them right now until they see sense and apologise
They sound really quite controlling and toxic

And pay off your credit card!!

StCharlotte · 10/09/2019 22:49

We don't tend to discuss our finances with them, they just think they have the right to tell us what we should pay for and what we should buy.

Well it seems you do or your DH does or how else do they know about your savings and inheritance? So stop doing that for starters.

Sunshine93 · 10/09/2019 22:50

Can't you see that they are bullying your partner? They probably have done this all his life. If you don't stand up to them over this and all the other times they demand things and use emotional blackmail then you are enabling them.

Say NO

dollydaydream114 · 10/09/2019 22:56

Absolutely do not pay for your 16-year-old stepson to go on a cruise with his grandparents.

First of all, you can't afford it. You need your savings for other things, not to send one child on a £1,200 holiday. Don't even contemplate coughing up for this, especially not out of your inheritance.

Secondly, you weren't even consulted. Your MIL is interfering shockingly here. Your DH needs to tell his parents VERY firmly that they are absolutely not to buy or promise things for his son and then demand that other people pay for them. It is beyond unfair and rude.

Thirdly, your stepson is 16 and very much old enough to know that it is not OK to just ask relatives if he can have a holiday with them. He might not know exactly how much a cruise costs to the pound, but I guarantee you a 16-year-old is fully aware that a cruise is an expensive luxury holiday. That's exactly why he asked if he could go. He knew exactly what he was asking for, even if he didn't know you would get asked to pay for it, and he's old enough not to be inviting himself on someone else's holiday. If his grandma won't pay for him, he doesn't go, and he has to live with the disappointment. He's old enough.

Mummymummums · 10/09/2019 23:00

No no no! If you pay for this they'll keep doing it. Outrageous!
And your DH mustn't reimburse money they spend when they take him out! They only spend your money with your permission.

Love51 · 10/09/2019 23:01

I'd be saying to the in-laws and to DSS, if I had £1200 to spend on a holiday at that time of year, do you not think I'd be going on it???
My kids are a lot younger, but all sets of grandparents offer to treat them when they see them, they don't charge us! (Obviously we repay in kind, I'm not a CF!) There is a whole thread of us saying this is seriously odd behaviour, but the thing about the clothes is also odd, and it seems to have escalated exponentially.
Is the clothes thing recent? I had assumed teenagers chose their own clothes - does he even want the stuff nan and gramps chose?

INeedAFlerken · 10/09/2019 23:02

FFS, stand up for yourselves. STop discussing it with them!

He can go if they pay for him, end of.

He can't go if they don't pay for him, end of.

Make your decision.

And from here on out, if they buy him things you haven't asked them to buy, you will consider it a gift to their grandchild from his grandparents. End of. You won't be reimbursing them for said 'gifts'.

And tell them that your inheritance is none of their business in regards to anything. How do they even know about it??

glitterfarts · 10/09/2019 23:04

They are horrific.

  1. 16 yr old step-son can EARN his own holiday money - £1200 + £200 if he wants to go.
  2. Grandparents DO NOT get to re-arrange Xmas between their son and his ex for their grandson.
  3. for goodness sake, when they buy stuff for him then ask to be reimbursed say No. Just no. They can return the item or stop buying him stuff. They're basically getting all the glory but not actually paying for it.
  4. 16 is well and truly old enough for DSS to understand money is limited. Why should you spend your inheritance on him. He isn't even your child. If a substantial inheritance, I'd tie it up somehow. If small, pay off your credit card and cancel it.

I'd be pushing hard for NC with your IL's !!

AnneLovesGilbert · 10/09/2019 23:05

He shouldn’t have wasted two hours being bullied and abused. Ridiculous. “You shouldn’t have asked him without asking us first. We’re not paying for it. Stop asking, I’ve told you we’re not paying for it. Bye”.

And paying them back for stuff they chose to buy him is bloody outrageous.

Clear boundaries seem to be missing and it’s time to get some.

AcrossthePond55 · 10/09/2019 23:05

Well, first off, stop discussing arguing with them about it. 'No' may not be a complete sentence but "I will not discuss this with you again" certainly is.

I'd be contacting the ex (or rather DH should) and tell her that his mother was WAY out of line contacting her about the holidays and that the original schedule stands as per usual. If the ex says she thinks DS should be allowed to go, tell her that it'll be on her time and she can pay for it.

I'd also be telling the grandparents that if they EVER pull a stunt like this again, they will not be seeing their DGS alone again until he is 18.

leomama81 · 10/09/2019 23:07

It is absolutely crazy of them to even think this is close to acceptable! And to be honest a bit crap of your DSS, sorry 16 is definitely old enough to understand how money works, and not to spend your parents on their behalf - unless he assumed that his grandparents would pay when they said yes to him coming?

I like this suggestion though -

If your DSS really wants to go then surely he could get a part time retail job to pay for it? He’s old enough and the high street stores will be recruiting soon.

Could turn it into a teachable moment for everyone!

Bowerbird5 · 10/09/2019 23:14

It is wrongof them to do this.

I would tell him that you had earn marked the money for the house. Tell him if he gets a job and you split the bill three ways.

Whoops75 · 10/09/2019 23:15

Seriously just say no!
Tell them Ds his Christmas present budget is X and that’s all ye are spending.

You’re in-laws sound insane tbh

SunshineAngel · 10/09/2019 23:17

@Sorrysorrysosorry

Sorry, I'm new to this site and all the abbreviations are confusing me! It's his grandparents who want to take him away, my partner's parents. I tried to clarify and then still used the wrong letters.. maybe I better stop using them!

@PonderingPanda

I've shown my partner this thread and he said he's going to show it to his parents and say they can either pay, instead of putting it all on us, or he's not going. But I'm slightly scared about how much I've slagged them off now!

@Lanurk

Exciting isn't it! We don't know about colours yet, got a couple more bits to finish in the kitchen, then we're moving on. Will go and have a look at carpets and sofas and colours.. that's my favourite bit. Luckily one of his friends is a decorator so we don't pay a huge amount for the labour, as they have a great time while he's doing stuff for us haha.

@PinkLacy They know because they wanted us to move house not so long back to be closer to them, but they're in a more expensive area. They seemed to think we were absolutely loaded, and they were being really forceful about it, so he was proving the point the we could not afford a bigger mortgage.

@Pitterpatterpettysteps The credit card has been interest free for 2yrs (coming up to, anyway) and cost 3% for a cash advance for almost the full credit limit, which I then put in a savings scheme that promised at least 5%. So now the interest free period is almost over I'm trying to pay it off with as little of the original amount as possible so it can stay in the savings, so that's why I wanted to use the inheritance just to finish what I still owe. It's not accruing any interest at all just yet, another 2 months before it does. I've been chipping away at it with my wages over the lat 6 months and will have to withdraw whatever's left on it to finish off, but it's not like reckless spending debt or anything - well it was a bit of a gamble to be fair, but thank god it paid off.


Just wanted to say thank you so much to everyone who's replied in this thread. The fact that only one out of 90+ have said I should pay is seriously heartwarming, and makes me so glad I signed up to this. Thank you so much once again.

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AlexaAmbidextra · 10/09/2019 23:18

No, fuck that. They said he could go so they can pay.

SunshineAngel · 10/09/2019 23:19

@AnneLovesGilbert You're so right, but this is how it's been his whole life (I think) or at least it has since I've been with him. It's such a shame but for some reason family are really hard to stand up to. If it was my family I think I'd have told them where to go a long time ago.

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pallisers · 10/09/2019 23:22

I'd don't even get why there would be 2 hours argument in it - they are outrageously unreasonable.

"No mum ds won't be going on the cruise. We will not pay for him. His mum will expect him for NY as well."

"No I don't really care what you think is in the best interests of DS. I'm his dad and that is that."

They are so out of line on this.

HazelBite · 10/09/2019 23:23

I'm astounded that a 16 year old would want to go on a cruise!!!
And £200 spending money, well thats not going to go very far either, the OP will probably be paying the GP's back for extra money spent whilst on the cruise!

FrancisCrawford · 10/09/2019 23:25

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AnotherEmma · 10/09/2019 23:27

YABU to sit on £10k of savings when you have debts.
Pay the debts off and see how much you have left then.
I doubt £1200 will be affordable and that's before you even get into the ridiculousness of the In-laws making arrangements for your DSS without discussing it with your DH.

They are obviously unreasonable, but the real problem is your DH not standing up to them. He needs to put his foot down. I expect he has never really done it and they have always been in control.

I recommend the books "Toxic Parents" for your DH and "Toxic In-laws" for you. Both by Susan Forward.

AlexaAmbidextra · 10/09/2019 23:28

And another thing. Why are they not asking the boy’s mother to pay half?