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Brexit: how scared should we be?

316 replies

staydazzling · 09/09/2019 10:36

Theres been worries about a lot, all valid reasons medical suppliers, food unrest. People stockpiling, and now that photo on twitter about the back pack with supplies & paperwork. do we need to be prepared for the real threat of some impending civil war? how scared do we need to be?

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TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 12:32

.How do you know it wont take less than 3 months to get more in

"I have already explained this. Because every substance has to be registered to come into the U.K. this involves sampling and takes months under normal process"

And where have you got that from? The same source that says it's a fact about body bags? How do you know systems wont be put in place to change all this?

Bluntness100 · 10/09/2019 12:34

It's a never ending argument, if the government complies with the grieve motion that was passed last night and releases the information no deal impact information publicly then this argument will go away.

The government are clear they do not wish to do this, it's not "in the public interests" they maintain, so it remains to be seen what will happen.

But if they released it the argument would disappear. And an whole other set of issues would arise with public panic.

Frequency · 10/09/2019 12:34

So bluntness.....you agree there may be a 3 month stockpile. How do you know it wont take less than 3 months to get more in?

Because it is logistically impossible. If we leave with no deal we will have no trade deals. At all. Zip, nada, zilch. For anything from anywhere. All of our trade agreements, even with countries outside of the EU are done through the EU. We can, of course, agree to continue trading under the same rules as the deals the EU has but there is no guarantee that the other countries would agree (and let's face it, if your were China, who was able to sell to 27 other countries and you knew we really, really, really needed your steel because we don't produce enough of our own would give us a favourable deal?). That's thousands of complicated trade deals, covering hundreds of thousands, of goods that need to be renegotiated, agreed upon and signed off on. We have 222 countries we need to negotiate with.

Is that possible to achieve within 3 months, do you think?

Not only that but while we're doing that we would need to work under WTO rules which means instead of checking a small proportion of imports we need to check all of them. We need to physically check and fill in paperwork for every single lorry, plane and ship bringing goods to the UK. Not only do we need to find the staff to carry out all of these hundreds of extra checks per day but we also need to find the space, on a relatively small island, to store all of these planes, ships and lorries while they're being checked/waiting to be checked or we need to slow down the flow of trade.

Is that achievable within three months, do you think?

Obviously we will prioritise essential goods and organise those deals first but that's still hundreds of trade deals with dozens of countries.

HerSymphonyAndSong · 10/09/2019 12:35

“Yes. As we will be prepared. Would you rather we weren't?”

You are (wilfully?) misunderstanding. My point is that you are happily supporting something that puts us in a position of needing to stockpile, whether we are managing to do so adequately or not. And yet you say you are not worried. Is there no little voice in your brain that is saying “hmm, maybe if we and countries around us are having to make preparations similar to war footings, perhaps this is a really stupid thing and maybe things are not going to be as great as I was promised?”

Bluntness100 · 10/09/2019 12:36

How do you know systems wont be put in place to change all this

Because I have seen the regulations. Had them explained to me. Professionally. That's all I'm going to say.

And as said, this would go away if the government complies with the grieve motion and publishes.

Then you'd all see it.

HerSymphonyAndSong · 10/09/2019 12:37

They won’t believe it bluntness. They’ll say “this is worst-case scenario, scare-mongering by remainer experts, it’s just speculation I want PROOF of the future”

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 10/09/2019 12:39

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Thereisasystem · 10/09/2019 12:42

I think I might just take Bluntness's word over Tabby's 🙄

Tableclothing · 10/09/2019 12:47

Tabby

You do not know that there are more body bags....that's just ridiculous

The increased body bag stock pile was widely reported on the news about a week ago. Do you not watch/listen/read the news much? You can Google the body bag information easily.

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 12:47

Bluntness....I'm pretty sure we wont be starting from scratch....there will have been deals being made in readiness for all of this. The basics of it is, they want to sell, we need to buy. There will be quicker ways of doing all these so called checks, I'm sure.

Her symphony.....no I dont think that. What is it you think I am happily supporting? If we end up with no deal, we end up with no deal. I just think there will be stuff in place and we dont need to scaremonger. I'm not worried at all.

Thereisasystem · 10/09/2019 12:49

Tabby we can't make any deals until we leave 🤦

Thereisasystem · 10/09/2019 12:49

Tabby I'm astounded at your naive faith in 'the system'

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 12:50

Thereisasystem

I think I might just takeBluntness'sword overTabby's🙄

That's fine, up to you....I'm not trying to canvass anyone here!?

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 12:51

Tabbywe can't make any deals until we leave 🤦
We can prepare to though....there can be discussions!@#?

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 12:52

Thereisasystem

TabbyI'm astounded at your naive faith in 'the system'

Good for you.

Songsofexperience · 10/09/2019 12:53

Countries can and do collapse. Naive to think it's impossible to self destruct!

Even Johnson is worried now...
That alone makes me want give in for the hills:

*Sam Coates Sky
(@SamCoatesSky)
So one Tory MP tells me that Boris Johnson told them that he did now have concerns about no deal

The PM apparently said that he had looked in detail

While he was confident that each individual measure could be mitigated, all together at once they present a very big challenge

September 10, 2019*

Songsofexperience · 10/09/2019 12:54
  • run for the hills (typo)
TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 12:55

"How do you know systems wont be put in place to change all this.
Because I have seen the regulations. Had them explained to me. Professionally. That's all I'm going to say.
And as said, this would go away if the government complies with the grieve motion and publishes.
Then you'd all see it."

If this was so cloak and dagger and you had been professionally confided in, I very must doubt you would be hinting at it on Mumsnet. Because if that was true, you would be being very unprofessional here by disclosing it, wouldnt you!?

HerSymphonyAndSong · 10/09/2019 12:56

We’re Super Special though songsofexperience. Either we can’t fail or other countries will do their duty and come to our aid. As is our due. Because we are Super Special.

Sailorsgirl44 · 10/09/2019 12:58

A lot of Guards (Police Officers) in Ireland are anticipating that they may be redeployed to the border in Northern Ireland next year... There will almost certainly be trouble there. It's shocking how people forget about NI!

Bluntness100 · 10/09/2019 13:00

But I haven't disclosed anything. I have never revealed who I work for or what I do. There is nothing unprofessional. And I have no conflict it writing what I've written.

I get your instinct is to shoot the messenger, that you don't want to believe it. I understand why not.

But again it comes back to why won't the government release the no deal information and say it's not in the public interests to know.

bellinisurge · 10/09/2019 13:04

@Bluntness100 has not disclosed anything about who they are or where they work. Without outing, I recognise this.
You can ignore and dismiss or you can consider it. Up to you @TabbyMumz . No one is forcing you to think or say or do anything.

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 13:06

Bluntness....you appear to hint at things in a "I know but I'm not telling you how I know" sort of way which is very silly and kind of makes me think you are spouting off a load of rubbish.

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 13:09

bellinisurge

@Bluntness100has not disclosed anything about who they are or where they work. Without outing, I recognise this.
You can ignore and dismiss or you can consider it. Up to you@TabbyMumz. No one is forcing you to think or say or do anything.

Haven't said they have?!

bellinisurge · 10/09/2019 13:18

That's pretty much exactly what you have said 😂