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Brexit: how scared should we be?

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staydazzling · 09/09/2019 10:36

Theres been worries about a lot, all valid reasons medical suppliers, food unrest. People stockpiling, and now that photo on twitter about the back pack with supplies & paperwork. do we need to be prepared for the real threat of some impending civil war? how scared do we need to be?

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HerSymphonyAndSong · 10/09/2019 11:39

“Not at all as I think there will be stockpiles”

And this suggests to you that things are going well??

Frequency · 10/09/2019 11:40

You do not know how much medication hospitals store. I should imagine hospitals and pharmacists store loads anyhow

As a carer who regularly collects medication as part of my job I can assure you this is not true. There have been times I have spent an entire day on the phone hunting down a vital medication only to have to have the resident admitted to hospital because it is not available and has to be ordered. As pointed out above we work on a just-in-time system. Any disruption to that causes shortages. Medicine is the same as food. Chemists and hospitals store what they need for the week/month and only what they need for the week/month.

BuckingFrolics · 10/09/2019 11:40

Just want to thank you Bluntness for staying cool and trying to reason with the unreasonable, who drive me to wordless fury.

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 11:42

Bluntness....so you now admit to agreeing there are stockpiles, thankyou. So there was no need to scaremongering in your last posts was there? The stockpiles are there to give time to arrange for new stock. I imagine people have been planning for a few years where they can get this stock from. I'm pretty sure the people who arrange this sort of thing wont have had their head in the sand and done nothing.
It's not in the public interest to see all these plans. People dont need to scaremonger.
Teresa May is a diabetic, she said she wasn't the least bit concerned about medication.

MaxNormal · 10/09/2019 11:46

TabbyMumz why are you pretending that people who are clearly more well informed on this issue than you, aren't, just because you don't like what they're saying?

Pollypenguin01 · 10/09/2019 11:50

TabbyMumz

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Yes there is a stockpile but how about you read clearly ‘it's the volume of those stock piles versus how long we need told them for. That's where the gap is.’

It’s no good having a three month stockpile if it takes six months to get any new diabetic medications through to us.

How much storage do you think it would take to supply the whole of the UK with enough medication to last them six months? How much do you think it would cost? Do you think the government has a magical money tree that has given them a massive boost in budgets to allow a years worth of stockpiling for everyone? Do you imagine the government has magically conjured up a never ending storage plant that stocks all you need and more?

You seem to have issues with being able to see past the end of your nose.

Frequency · 10/09/2019 11:53

Can I just point out that while I don't believe there will people dying in the streets from lack of medication I also don't believe the stockpile is big enough for things to stay 'normal'. The stockpile is not big enough to last us until trade deals can be put in place and/or we find the staff and space to work under WTO rules.

I believe possibly naively that once the shit hits the fan costly emergency deals will be put in place to allow us to access vital goods. We'll stop treating the very elderly for as long and start palliative care sooner. Those able to manage, albeit uncomfortably, without their medication will be left without as those who need it to stay alive will be prioritised.

In short, it's going to be shit but you probably won't die of malnutrition or lack of medication (unless you're very old).

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 11:56

@MaxNormal.....blunttness isn't more well informed than anyone. She is making stuff up. How bad is it to talk about body bags and go on and on about there being no stockpiles, to then suddenly agree there will be stockpiles. She's no expert.

HerSymphonyAndSong · 10/09/2019 11:57

The EU has discussed (is preparing to?) classifying the UK as undergoing a disaster in the case of no deal and airlifting essentials. I know there are many leave voters who consider this our due as a Super Special Nation, but really, can people believe that this means everything is going well and everything is fine? This is what happens when countries go to war - but we are CHOOSING to do this. No one is forcing us. It is completely nuts.

Bluntness100 · 10/09/2019 11:57

It does surprise me that people continue to believe "it will be fine" but not one of those people are able to answer th question on why the government says it's not in the public's interests to publish the dossier on what would occur.

If it's fine. Why won't they publish and prove?

Diagonalli · 10/09/2019 11:59

i'm not scared but must admit to being a little concerned about my daily medication, unfortunately my surgery don't let you have your repeat prescription early so I really don't know how i'm going to get a back up supply

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 11:59

So bluntness.....you agree there may be a 3 month stockpile. How do you know it wont take less than 3 months to get more in? How do you know they haven't got orders in place already? If there is a 3 month stockpile, and noone has noticed where it is, why cant there be a 6 month? Why does it need to be masses and masses if warehouses? How do you know there aren't, you dont know anything really do you?

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 12:05

"Do you think the government has a magical money tree that has given them a massive boost in budgets to allow a years worth of stockpiling for everyone? "

Well they seem to magically find money when they want to.....like the millions just pledged to the police, education, NHS.....so, yes.

BuckingFrolics · 10/09/2019 12:06

tabby how about you try and explain how leavers have gone from " we will negotiate a great deal as the EU need us more than we need them" to the point we are at now?

Can you explain why even the staunch Brexit MPs are saying things will be shit ?

Can you explain why, if it's all so easy and going to be fine, experts - you know, those people whose job it is to understand these hugely complex issues as opposed to those who " guess" and "assume" and "believe" - say it's going to be shit? Hmmm??

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 12:06

"It does surprise me that people continue to believe "it will be fine" but not one of those people are able to answer th question on why the government says it's not in the public's interests to publish the dossier on what would occur.

If it's fine. Why won't they publish and prove?"

How on earth can you expect people to answer that?

BuckingFrolics · 10/09/2019 12:07

Those millions are for spending over the next 3 years and are Tory sops and electioneering not NOW

HerSymphonyAndSong · 10/09/2019 12:10

I can suggest an answer to that...

bellinisurge · 10/09/2019 12:10

@TabbyMumz public interest test balances are normal exercises for many civil servants at quite junior levels. So actually, doing that is relatively straightforward

HerSymphonyAndSong · 10/09/2019 12:12

I completely get that some people were voting leave to give the establishment a kick in the teeth - Cameron etc. Why now would you blindly trust exactly the same sort of people (in fact people who have demonstrated even more scorn towards people in vulnerable circumstances, wealthy powerful people set to benefit from chaos) to protect you and deliver what was promised?

Socksontheradiator · 10/09/2019 12:17

Millions have just been 'pledged'. That's all.
Funny how people believe what they hear from someone we know without doubt tells lies.
When Labour talk about putting money to things, people laugh and ask where the magic money tree is.

Thereisasystem · 10/09/2019 12:20

Bluntness you are so calm and cool, thank you for your articulate insights.

tabbymumz and your ilk, you otoh scare the hell out of me quite frankly....

Bluntness100 · 10/09/2019 12:23

.How do you know it wont take less than 3 months to get more in

I have already explained this. Because every substance has to be registered to come into the U.K. this involves sampling and takes months under normal process. We will have every single substance having to be registered at once. And it's not just the end product. It's the ingredients. The level of registration depends on the tonnage of the raw ingredient being imported.

The government has issued the draft regulations. I can assure you they incredibly complex. I'm not going to go into the details and bore everyone, but it is impossible for everyone to start registering critical products on 1 Nov and have it done three months later. Simply impossible. It will take months.

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 12:24

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Today 11:35Bluntness100

You're missing the point. There are stock piles. That's not in dispute.

It's the volume of those stock piles versus how long we need told them for. That's where the gap is.

And has no one got an answer for why the government feels "it's not in the public's interest" to publish what is going to occur, from their own dossier, gleaned from months of working with critical companies, if it would put the "scaremongering" to bed and give everyone a comfort level?

When Teresa May was in the chair, then it was understandable, she didn't intend to do no deal. So she wanted to avoid the panic and what would come from that,

But if Boris wants it, then why won't he release it either? Why did each opposition leader get signed up to the official secrets act to be told. Why did they walk out one by one and say it's terrifying? Why has a motion been passed now to force the government to release it? And why are the government still saying it's not in the public's interests?

Surely someone who thinks it's all good, has an answer? Anyone?

Today 11:39HerSymphonyAndSong

“Not at all as I think there will be stockpiles”

And this suggests to you that things are going well??

Yes. As we will be prepared. Would you rather we weren't?

TabbyMumz · 10/09/2019 12:29

"abbyhow about you try and explain how leavers have gone from " we will negotiate a great deal as the EU need us more than we need them" to the point we are at now?"

Seeing as I've never said that and I doubt most leavers have ever said that, I dont need to.

Thereisasystem · 10/09/2019 12:31

Seeing as I've never said that and I doubt most leavers have ever said that, I dont need to.

Omg 😂😂😂😂😂

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