Brexit: how scared should we be?

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Theres been worries about a lot, all valid reasons medical suppliers, food unrest. People stockpiling, and now that photo on twitter about the back pack with supplies & paperwork. do we need to be prepared for the real threat of some impending civil war? how scared do we need to be?

@Cam77 , I agree. The backstop is a SAFETY NET. Swap the word backstop for the actual meaning of "safety net" and all the bollocks reads differently.

Regarding chapter 15 of the Yellowhammer document: Rosamun Urwin, a Sunday Times reporter, shared this from her unredacted leaked copy:

Facing EU tariffs makes petrol exports to the EU uncompetitive. Industry had plans to mitigate the impact on refinery margins and profitability but UK Government policy to set petrol import tariffs at 0% inadvertently undermines these plans.This leads to significant financial losses and announcement of two refinery closures (and transition to import terminals) and direct job losses (about 2000).Resulting strike action at refineries would lead to disruptions to fuel availability for 1-2 weeks in the regions directly supplied by the refineries

The other thing is, I used to work in a sort-of related branch of the civil service, and where I worked, a document like this would be the distillation of far more detailed reports from internal and external experts. Each line would have been fact checked up to the point of senior managers having discussions about whether e.g. there was enough evidence to support "significant financial losses" or whether you had to leave it as "financial losses". There would be a massive Excel document where each clause in each sentence would have a reference attached showing the evidence for the claim. I would like to see that document, and if it doesn't exist, I would really like to know that as well.

Oh I'm disappointed!

I came to see what @Tabbymumz reply might be to Graphita's detailed post.

There isn't one 😤

Trouble is Farage always goes on light early morning breakfast TV, where the presenters have no more understanding of the complexities than the average person in the street, and so he gets to regurgutate his willfully misleading catchphrases like “clean break” unchallenged. And then they filter into the national debate. Anyway, we could really be on the precipice of some pretty rough times, as, to put it bluntly, Johnson is willing to fuck the country (we can all speculate as to why).

why is it considered so dangerous bellinisurge? genuine question, yeah there seems to be little thought of Ireland aswell.

Storing petrol is dangerous because a) if you don't have absolutely clear procedures for storing it, it is, by its nature, inflammable b) you can only have a small canful at a time which is useless and makes you a target for unscrupulous people (let's put it that way) c) if you store any more than a canful see a) above d) it needs to be rotated for use or it degrades and damages your engine.
In short, unless you are properly set up and in a rural area, don't waste your time and money.

The only positive thing I can think of about both of my parents being dead is that I don't need to make short notice mercy dashes to them in my car. To be honest, if one or other if them were still alive and we were heading for No Deal, I would move them to my house.

BBC News - Diane Hill seriously burned pouring petrol in kitchen
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-17560534

This poor woman followed a government minister's advice to store petrol at home (back in 2012 when there are threats of strikes).

thanks bellinisurge

"DHSC is developing a multi-layered approach to mitigate these risks"

Graphista...this last sentence is key to me. This document is not a finished product. This outlines the risks. They are not going to do nothing about it. They then work on what to do about it. I have family on life saving medicine and I'm not worried.

Sistersofmercy......there wasn't a reply as I haven't been on this thread today till now. I've replied now.

Tabby do you really have 100% faith in this insane group of loons running the country right now?

10 years ago I would have said that a civil war in England at least is very unlikely, we're not Greece, we have a very 'doff your cap' attitude generally in this country and don't like to rock the boat in any truly revolutionary way.
But now? I'm not so sure. Everyone just seems so angry
Especially Brexiteers, this has given a lot of bigots a voice and a platform. I'm a member of my local village Facebook group, even in that, so many posts get overrun with the brexit nimbys. One kicked off because the council may be putting in new double yellow lines, saying it's local council not listening to the British people
Who knows. My meds are on that list. I'm scared. And it's okay to say that.

But now? I'm not so sure. Everyone just seems so angry

Yup.
I am definately really, really angry.
I look at people I think look the sort to have voted leave in the supermarket and feel like ramming my trolley through them.

Ages ago i found the Twitter account of the tenant who lives opposite me Shes diabetic She voted Leave. She likes Farage.

Oh and i wasnt stalking or anything She posted a complaint on the HAs twitter feed Complete with photo of our car park I saw it on the HA twitter feed when i clicked on tweets and replies.

YY Table Francis "Jerrycan" Maude,

Fucks I do that all the time, see some miserable mealy mouthed looking sod and think yep they voted Brexit. What has happened to us

tabby thanks for the laugh. You do know they've had 3 years to "develop a multi layered approach" and they've done fuck all? You do realise that that is government speak for "haven't a fucking clue how to fix this"?

Just seen this, made me laugh

How could anyone trust this government?

Johnson is a liar, a chancer and ruthless. To quote Jess Philips, I wouldn’t trust him to hold my pint let alone ensure my family would get life saving medication.

How can anyone believe a word out of that man’s mouth?

tabbythanks for the laugh. You do know they've had 3 years to "develop a multi layered approach" and they've done fuck all? You do realise that that is government speak for "haven't a fucking clue how to fix this"?

You dont know that though, do you.

Tabby your line of questioning is very peculiar, like a child just repeatedly saying 'why' to everything.

TabbyMumz THAT is your reply?!

"Graphista...this last sentence is key to me. This document is not a finished product. This outlines the risks. They are not going to do nothing about it. They then work on what to do about it. I have family on life saving medicine and I'm not worried."

You're basically saying "I trust this incompetent, contrary, bombastic, uncaring govt when they say "it'll all be fiiiine' even though they've provided ZERO evidence of this"

Baffled! I'm completely baffled!

Are people REALLY THIS GULLIBLE?! So completely trusting in the govt?

I never trust ANYONE organisation until they show me they're trustworthy.

Blind trust - really?!

I live in a fairly rural part of Scotland, when beast from the east hit and shops ran low on supplies people LOST THEIR FUCKING MINDS!!! Their was fisticuffs in the supermarket! And that was a pretty short lived situation with an end in sight. There were also VERY QUICKLY opportunists who organised with their families to buy the limited stock of basics like bread and milk from the supermarket and then posted on Facebook to sell them on to desperate folk at MASSIVELY inflated prices - I'm talking £10-20 & more per loaf/pint! And people paid it!

If THAT is what happens in a localised, pretty temporary situation that people KNEW would end within a reasonable time fuck knows what'll happen with a no deal brexit!

"You dont know that though, do you." Good lord!

Do you REALLY think IF they had good contingency plans in place they wouldn't

1 tell us so we'd calm the fuck down and stop worrying and pestering them!

2 tell all those that would NEED to help them put these plans in place and do the preparation - Nhs, pharmacies, emergency services, military, civil service, the main supermarkets & other shops, hauliers, industry...

3 tell the eu that they were in a strong position to withstand a no deal brexit so we'd be seen to have decent leverage for those discussions

???

Get a clue!!

I agree very primary school child level "debating skills"

My dd 18 is pissed off she couldn't vote in the first place and has taken the time to investigate all the issues herself so as soon as she DOES get a chance to vote she can make an informed decision.

Scary that others old enough to have voted in brexit ref apparently haven't done the basics of informing themselves (and I don't necessarily just apply that to leavers, I know remain voters too that are scarily ignorant of all the ramifications but voted to maintain status quo because that felt safest)

They then work on what to do about it.

Missed this little gem - the vote was over THREE YEARS ago, this document was only organised this year - wtf were they doing since the result?! Fuck all!!

Piss up and brewery come to mind!