Brexit: how scared should we be?

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Theres been worries about a lot, all valid reasons medical suppliers, food unrest. People stockpiling, and now that photo on twitter about the back pack with supplies & paperwork. do we need to be prepared for the real threat of some impending civil war? how scared do we need to be?

"I think the only things that will change, will be for those who were living an unsustainable lifestyle." Oh really?! 🤔

I'm already struggling to find one medication and my dr has had to prescribe an alternative that may well not be completely suitable - in a way that WILL cause me to become very unwell and be in significant pain!

My other meds are likely to be affected in the event of a no deal brexit and may be affected even with a deal, stopping one of these suddenly can have serious consequences up to and including DEATH! I hardly call plain being alive a "lifestyle choice"

I'm already only eating one meal a day, I just about "balance the books" so an increase in prices or reduction in income is hardly whinging about losing luxuries!

"Not being able to make ends meet? That's likely a legitimate fear for the very poorest but most of these people are used to not being able to make ends meet" how Fucking patronising! And plain stupid! The very poorest (of which I don't include myself as yet) are already homeless, relying on food banks...DYING and that's ONLY due to "austerity cuts" and you think it's no biggie to make things worse?!

I'm assuming the pps making the "fuss about nothing" posts are in perfect health, as are their loved ones and can afford a PREDICTED BY THE GOVT potential 40% price rise in the first month?

"Unless you live in Northern Ireland, then you would quite justifiably be both." I think it's incredibly naive to think a resurgence of the troubles couldn't lead to violence in England/Wales possibly even here in Scotland which is of course what happened when they were last actively happening. Slightly less likely in Scotland for complex reasons inc a strong affinity in many parts of Scotland with either side of the conflict meaning risking losing sympathy/support not in participants interest (financial and ideological).

"Civil war? No." How would you describe the situation in NI during the troubles if not a civil war?

I think it's entirely possible a full uk wide civil war could occur triggered by no deal or crap deal brexit, stoked by a resurgence of the troubles initially and then escalated by people's fear and anger at food and medicine shortages.

"our PM’s fast and loose attitude towards democracy and casual disregard for peace treaties is terrifying." Totally agree!

Several of dds meds are on that list including her prescription painkillers, she has eds and is in pain constantly, she's quite stoic but does need to take these fairly regularly just to function well enough to work.

Anyone who isn't AT LEAST a little concerned if not for themselves then for others not as well off/protected as them is naive, callous or Both!

Extraordinary scenes in the Commons tonight.

www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/09/brexit-latest-news-eu-no-deal-bill-royal-assent-boris-johnson-parliament-politics-live

There really really needs to be a written constitution and tonights events rubber stamp the need for this.

Sisters, that's how many UK citizens felt back in 2007/8. Mass redundancies everywhere and suddenly, competition for jobs from 3 million Eastern Europeans!
When Blair chose not to keep working restrictions in place he flooded the job market at a time of financial crisis and mass redundancies.
Those people for through that somehow, so they can't get lower, they don't feel things could be worse...

They are totally wrong however, a brief look at how this strata of society live in the US would show them that things could be worse. They can get a lot lower yet and people JRM aren't going to be losing any sleep about that.

I worry about that.
I worry about any government that doesn't feel it needs to follow the laws that Parliament sets.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/no-deal-brexit-dominic-grieve-commons-vote-yellowhammer-papers_uk_5d76868fe4b0fde50c2afa1b?5hf&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL3hKckVQcGdjY1Q_YW1wPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADxNh0ISUGGIGpQN6evBjxbGWgMjWCGneW7gXl2Zu7XVb26dZio0Yl3Et0rne-gtVfeBgVAoT-iBJjePCAXlZC05m7I1jQLQmbZGpg1W0xAwdrPQ7mmQ_zoL_NxBT-ZDpBzHhLSI0LWjh7_f3h6plOrUdV-m9UROo4RyHaBA4-Qs

It’s all crap at the moment- parliament can’t do anything.. people want action/ results not arsning about

Utterly insane what's happening!

Communications regarding the governing of the country unless they GENUINELY would endanger national security should be public

What the hell are they so desperate to hide?

I genuinely think we just need to do a no deal Brexit ASAP this point and might even vote "Conservative" (or whatever BoJo's party calls itself).

Brexit was a bad idea. A no deal Brexit is a terrible idea that will be severely detrimental to the lives of most people in the country.

But I think it's what our increasingly vile little country needs to go through in order to stop the swing towards nationalism and the increasing distain for democracy.

Millions of Leave voters are getting increasingly radicalised by the day and I believe that will continue unless they get what they want.

I'd advise anyone of sufficient means to emigrate, I am. Vote Conservative and burn the country to the ground so in a generation or so we can start again.

My boyfriend has diabetes and needs several different types of medication to control it. All of them are on the list and he will become very unwell quickly if the supply is interrupted. I guess that’s what a PP would call an “unsustainable lifestyle.” So yeah, I’m terrified of a no deal Brexit as I stand to see the people I love the most suffer completely unnecessarily. “Wah boo” to me.

@Ch0colateyClaire and that is why people are scared. There is absolutely no rational thinking going on it's just 'let's see it burn' mentality. I wonder if you would feel the same way if you had a child that needed medication that was on the threatened list?

I'm sure I wouldn't but I think the only thing more dangerous than a no deal brexit are it's millions of cheerleaders if they don't get what they want.

I'm sure I wouldn't but I think the only thing more dangerous than a no deal brexit are it's millions of cheerleaders if they don't get what they want.

This cynical destructive thinking of yours makes you no better than them.

“I'd advise anyone of sufficient means to emigrate, I am. Vote Conservative and burn the country to the ground so in a generation or so we can start again.”

How jolly for those of us who have to stay

Not all medicines are manufactured in Europe, not all food comes from Europe. We do have things from other parts of the world - asthma inhalers - Scotland, insulin - USA. We produce food that we have to sell abroad because no one buys it here as we’re too busy buying from other countries. We’ve had fuel strikes, we were fine. What made it worse was the panic buyers being greedy.

@MindyStClaire , everyone assumes that because I am a general prepper, I am all about longing for "SHTF" (shit hits the fan) and that everything I say and do is to put people on an SHTF footing. I don't want to give naysayers an excuse to disregard my suggestion that people get a buffer of food and hygiene stuff in. Or to put people off the idea for fear of being branded some kind of MadMax wannabe. Which happens regularly anyway.

I am desperate for some kind of GFA friendly Deal. I am extremely worried about NI. I don't live there and I don't want to stoke anxiety there any more than I know it is already. As an older resident of NW England, I remember that aspects of terrorism in NI used to spill over to here with tragic regularity.

There is enough tense rhetoric around and I don't want to contribute to it.
As a general prepper, I have obviously given thought to worst case scenarios but also, as a general prepper, I focus on the most probable outcomes rather than speculate on possible ones.

I’m a type one diabetic, my diabetes clinic has been giving additional insulin and supplies incase of supply issues in the first few weeks after a no deal brexit. The type of insulin I have to use is manfactured in Germany.

Not all medicines are manufactured in Europe, not all food comes from Europe

You do understand that's not the issue right? If we crash out we have no trade terms with any country globally .we trade with them today under eu terms? How long it takes for companies, countries, to change the terms and apply them?

Do you understand the new regulations to import a product into the U.K.? How many months it takes, the cost? The formalities, with customs agents, duty now to be paid etc?

That new laws are being put in place for every single country we import from round the world because everything we do now is under eu regulations and that needs to change? Everything needs to be re registered? That every country who wishes to export to us has to change their laws, their systems, and every company within it? Do you understand how long this takes?

Do you remotely understand the impact and logistics of getting stuff across our border when every single substance. And it's not just rhe substance, it's every ingredient in thag substance, has to be re registered, by laws not yet in place? And why that alone, means every single import will not just increase in price but be subject to significant delays? Why yes, medicine will likely run out.

Do you under stand we ran out of warehouse space? That critical companies can only keep so much stock. Do you know the size of the warehouses required just to keep Heathrow operational for a few weeks? The cost for companies to hold that stock just in case? That we trade with the rest of the world under eu terms, eu laws, not just the eu?

There was a motion last night by Dominic grieve for the government to release publicly what will happen in the event of no deal brexit. It was passed. The government,has said they are disappointed. They have always said so far it's not in the public's interests to know.

Why do you think it's not in our interests to know. Do you really think if it showed we would be fine they wouldn't release it? They are with holding it because it contains good news?

We're worried about OH's job. He's in sales and his customers are all Europe based. Its already causing his sales to drop because they're worried about ordering from him after brexit so are beginning to source from elsewhere to be prepared.

Food prices have been rising for ages now since June 2016 to take account of the significant fall in the £, dwindling EU workforce and general uncertainty. We are like frogs in a pot being boiled slowly.

‘Scared’ is the wrong word. You should be quietly incandescent with rage and ready to vote to keep out the Conservatives and their bastard relatives the brexit party.

What I can't fathom is the idea of you leaving without a deal
means that it's done, finished. Leaving with a no deal will delight the leavers, sure they will celebrate (until the chaos kicks in) but then the UK government will have to return to the table to discuss deals. The same issues will still be there but now there will be more urgent then ever and the ramifications of a no deal will have impacted people's and businesses detrimentally. But eh enjoy the celebrations and thanks for screwing up my country yet again.

Well I'm scared my husband will lose his life if his cancer medication can no longer be obtained.

That every country who wishes to export to us has to change their laws, their systems, and every company within it? Do you understand how long this takes?

If they want to continue making money from selling to us, they will make this quick. Very quick indeed. The crux of it is, they want to sell, we want to buy.

Well I'm scared my husband will lose his life if his cancer medication can no longer be obtained.

Surely the hospital will have arranged a stockpile?

It's not a matter of fear but the following changes will occur:

• Expect to pay at least an extra £100 on food per month as all those foreign fruit/vegetables will be more expensive
• If you work in the Healthcare, Insurance, Finance or Automobile industries, jobs will be scarcer as most companies have or will move abroad. Affiliated industries will be affected too.
• There will be delays to drug accessibility - they all have to come through customs and none will be manufactured here anymore. If you or your child wants a new drug for cancer for instance, Britain won't be first in line anymore. Expect to wait quite a few years to get it. We won't be part of the EU license for drugs anymore if we leave the single market and need to apply for a licence separately, We will be behind Europe and USA.
• Holidays and roaming charges will creep up
• Civil unrest will be dependant on how we leave or if we do. Either way, there will be unhappy people on both sides

“Surely the hospital will have arranged a stockpile?”

What have we come to when leavers are posting stuff like this