Brexit: how scared should we be?

[staydazzling]

Theres been worries about a lot, all valid reasons medical suppliers, food unrest. People stockpiling, and now that photo on twitter about the back pack with supplies & paperwork. do we need to be prepared for the real threat of some impending civil war? how scared do we need to be?

You should be more scared about what shit show will land on us if we remain at this point.

Yes, I am worried about the consequences of that as I could see it moving the UK further to the right. Which is scary.

I'm also worried about my husbands meds that keep him alive and what will happen in the case of a no deal Brexit, given that we can't stockpile them as our GP won't prescribe extra and the pharmacist won't dispense his repeat early.

So, best option is a deal! But now the Brexiters don't seem to want a deal and have decided that the only true Brexit is a no deal Brexit and screw the consequences...

@ChocChocButtons - I see that you're stupid as well as rude. In my mind I see you as a Farage fan. And before you start protesting, you criticised me first & didn't realise that The Sun is a right wing rag. Nothing wrong with those who follow Farage's ideology of course - each to his own - but everything against those who scream & shout without listening or investigating

@greenlavender lol ok if you say so 😃

No screaming or shouting I just don’t think your factual and your causing ppl to panic.

List of drugs that may be in short supply

e-surgery.com/brexit-crisis-medication-shortage-list/

I'm glad I spent a couple of years weaning myself off citalopram now, and I'll only have lansoprazole to worry about. I'll buy a gallon or two of Gaviscon, just in case.

Some of the stuff on that list is essential for life though, it must be really worrying for people.

@ChocChocButtons , I'm a general prepper. I know about this shit. Civil war is unlikely. Burying your head in the sand is also foolish.

@bellinisurge I’m not buying into it sorry. Enjoy your genuine prepping.

Many NHS leaders believe Brexit will be the end of the NHS.

What part of me saying "civil war is unlikely " didn't you get@ChocChocButtons

Food and meds shortages? Long queues at Customs and border control?

Shortage of carets and fruit pickers?

Unemployment? House price crash? Diminishing tax revenue which will lead to even worse austerity measures? Riots?

No, nothing to worry about according to some posters. The naivety of some would be rather endearing of it wasn’t so scary.

Lakielady I learnt the hard way that you can't just stop lanzoprazole, but I weaned myself off it once I was down to one capsule daily, by opening the capsules and removing a few granules each day.
If you are a meat eater, drinking proper bone broth daily is very healing for the gut. Helped me a lot. HTH, and thanks for the list. DH's blood pressure tablets are on there.

@bellinisurge I think you think there won’t be one? Well done you. Keep on prepping.

People tend not to riot in cold weather so they won't in November. If it goes no deal, I don't know what will happen next summer.

A go bag is just sensible. Dam burst recently anyone? They get extreme weather in Scotland.

Body bags - Actually from the doctor who advised on Yellowhammer, the government's own risk papers...

From the link up thread;

"A doctor (Neurologist David Nicholl) who advised the government on the impacts of a no deal Brexit has said body bags are being stockpiled over concerns there could be an increased mortality rate."

Easy to find where this originates from - basically 'body bags' are products used by the NHS on an everyday basis but they are manufactured in or come via the EU, hence the stockpiling - not because they are expecting more deaths than usual;

Feb 2019;
"A health minister’s letter aimed at reassuring people that the UK is all set for a no-deal Brexit, reveals that the NHS is stockpiling body bags. It’s prompted Twitter to utilize some dark humour."

The morbid course of action was disclosed by ITV’s Robert Peston, who released extracts from Health Minister Stephen Hammond’s letter via social media, in which he insists “the government is preparing for all exit scenarios.”

"In his letter, Hammond singles out body bags as “essential products” that come to the UK from or through the EU, which are being stockpiled to mitigate against severe disruption to the NHS."

"The Tory MP for Wimbledon also lists a number of medical products, consumables and equipment, including medicines, vaccines and blood products that are being amassed to cope with a no-deal Brexit scenario."

www.rt.com/uk/451276-nhs-body-bags-brexit/

Stephen Hammond obviously chose to list body bags to 'cause some mischief'. He is of course one of the MPs expelled from the Tory Party - he was also sacked by Theresa May in 2017 for rebelling against her government with Dominic Grieve;

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stephen-hammond-fired-sacked-brexit-rebellion-tory-mp-theresa-may-latest-a8108691.html

I'm concerned financially, not for my family but for those already struggling to keep afloat, the ones that have absolutely no give in their budget.

I'm concerned that my dh might have to not get his full prescription meds and have a stroke. My meds or potential lack of will not cause fatal consequences but will make my life fairly miserable and I'll spiral back in to depression.

I'm not sure on civil war but I definitely think they'll be riots and the U.K. will become a deeply unpleasant place to live.

I'm scared about the future political landscape and moving to the far right. If this happens then I will be attempting to move abroad with family that already live there. I do not want to live in a country that is governed by rich, posh, lunatic men who have no regard for women, the low paid and ethnic minorities.

Unfortunately Lansoprazole is the only reflux medicine we have found that ds will take, it has taken years. I was gutted when I saw it on that list.

I'm not worried op but I have faced much adversity in my life and in fact dh was made redundant recently.

It's not the worse thing to happen, I get the supply stuff too. But business, money makes the world go round. Business owners are not going to sit idly by whilst goods rot in lorries.
Calais has said no issues etc and we now, finally have team sorting things out our end.

Unless there are vital things (like medication) that are unavailable immediately following a no deal brexit, I don't think who presently earn above the breadline have too much to 'fear' in the immediate aftermath.

It's the following decades that are likely to be the problem. Most of us will be poorer, unemployment will rise, the NHS will likely be significantly reduced if not abolished.

I expect rises in crime, homelessness and the other hallmarks of impoverishment.

And then of course there's Northern Ireland.

Sisters, that's how many UK citizens felt back in 2007/8. Mass redundancies everywhere and suddenly, competition for jobs from 3 million Eastern Europeans!
When Blair chose not to keep working restrictions in place he flooded the job market at a time of financial crisis and mass redundancies.
Those people for through that somehow, so they can't get lower, they don't feel things could be worse...

@Septembersunrays

We'll probably call those 'the good old days' before long...

september it's not the forrin people I would want to get away from. It'd be the bigoted and racist people I would want to escape from.

Oh and the living in a far right, misogynistic country...

I work in the central NHS and previously worked in government in a sphere that has a lot of visibility of supply chains. I've also heard a presentation by the central NHS no deal team which is responsible for trying to ensure continuity of medicines etc.

It's really hard to know how disruptive it would be. A lot of work has gone into trying to mitigate the potential effects, but plans are only as good as people, people are fallible, and supply chains often interact in ways that only become clear when something goes wrong.

Often the approach by central government has been to push the risk down to individual organisations, eg pushing pharma companies and NHS organisations to make sure they are as ready as they can be, although there is an element of central control (eg in the stockpiling). I am not sure how ready many of those organisations actually are as companies have been asked to carry a lot on their balance sheets for a while now in terms of preparations, some may be starting to waver and wind this down, small and medium enterprises are probably especially badly prepared because it is too complex to try and predict what might happen and they can't invest a lot in preparing just in case.

You only have to look at the names of the roles "EU exit strategic commander" and the way the NHS team is set up like a military operation to recognise that the government recognises the risk.

I would also say that no deal does not exist in reality, it is not an option not to trade with many of these suppliers and even if it were it wouldn't make sense to try and do that. In fact no deal means we would be hastily trying to negotiate the same type of things that are causing issues now, but possibly from a weaker negotiating position.

The government has been preparing for months for no deal. They have petrol reserves (we have big supplies from other countries, not Europe)!, and any good chemist will be sourcing supplies from other countries.

Oh yeah, they can be trusted. That's why they're repeatedly being shown to lie about negotiating, intention towards no deal and a whole lot of other stuff that shows clearly they can't be trusted one inch. Disgrace.

My antidepressants are on that list. I am scared. Thankfully I can physically live without them. I imagine there will be some people who are genuinely scared for their lives. Many who will be suicidal without antidepressants.

The only reason I am not terrified is because I think a no deal brexit will l be averted. If an election is called and friends/family members vote in a way which means we have no deal I will struggle to forgive that. I really will.

For those who think there wont be a civil war, are you including NI in that or is it that it's over there so won't really affect you as such.

This.

No deal risks a return to the Troubles, as it breaks the GFA. That is civil war in the UK.

bellini, I have to say I'm surprised at your posts - I know you know about the risks to NI as you've posted about them countless times and I usually agree with your posts on the subject.

NI just never seems to count.