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Brexit: how scared should we be?

316 replies

staydazzling · 09/09/2019 10:36

Theres been worries about a lot, all valid reasons medical suppliers, food unrest. People stockpiling, and now that photo on twitter about the back pack with supplies & paperwork. do we need to be prepared for the real threat of some impending civil war? how scared do we need to be?

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bellinisurge · 11/09/2019 07:26

@Septembersunrays get into the habit of never letting your petrol tank be less than half full. Don't store petrol outside your petrol tank.
I was a driver during the strikes 20 years ago.

Thereisasystem · 11/09/2019 07:50

Graphista your reply to Tabbymumz is brilliant, I feel your utter frustration. Bet they don't take a single iota of it on board though tragically.

Mia1415 · 11/09/2019 08:45

@Graphista spot on response.

DementorsKiss · 11/09/2019 10:15

does anyone have a link to the medication shortage list? or an actual list? I would like to check if my medication is going to be a problem

Ohflippineck · 11/09/2019 10:31

Frequency

“I wouldn't worry about staffing business' while the Tories are in charge. As soon as staff shortages start causing major disruption they'll come up with workfare 2.0 and force the unemployed, sick and disabled to fill gaps. I wouldn't put it past them to solve the housing the crisis at the same time by setting up workhouses 2.0. Naturally, they won't be called workhouses and there'll be a slow introduction to them via the right wing press. By the time workhouses 2.0 come about the general public will be begging for them to built just like they begged for Brexit when Murdoch et al told them”.

Anyone remember the Youth Opportunities Programme in the late/70s early 80s? Unemployed 16/17/18 year olds doing full time jobs at large, bonafide companies for less than unemployment benefit, no help with travel costs and no sickness or holiday benefits? Very few people actually went on to be employed by those companies. Why would they when they could discard them after 3 or 6 months and ship in another one.
It drove me back to education, thank goodness and I’ve subsequently had a good life but many of the people I knew then gained no advantages whatsoever. Took them off of the unemployment figure though.

Ohflippineck · 11/09/2019 10:34

Shmithecat2

“It's Brexit, not 28 Days Later hmm.“

Throw in the expected, overdue flu pandemic and a lack of vaccines and people will behave in much the same way. The veneer of civilisation is incredibly thin.

HelenaDove · 11/09/2019 18:57

Ministers have been condemned after admitting that they have not carried out any assessment of the impact that a no-deal Brexit would have on the lives of people with disabilities.

The government was accused of having “ignored” people with a disability after admitting that “no formal assessment” had been conducted, despite fears over a possible lack of medical supplies and health workers if Britain leaves the EU without a deal.

The revelation came in a reply to a parliamentary question from Labour MP Jo Stevens.

Responding, Caroline Dinenage, the care minister, said: “No formal impact assessment has been conducted by the department of the effect on people with disabilities of the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a deal.”

Last year, Matt Hancock, the health secretary, said he could not guarantee that no one would die if there is a no-deal Brexit.

Fears have also been raised that restrictions on freedom of movement after Brexit could prevent the UK recruiting enough carers and health workers from abroad.

And MPs have previously warned that the loss of the European Social Fund could be “disastrous” for disadvantaged groups, including people with a disability. The fund currently gives £500m a year to organisations in the UK that provide employment and training support for people who are often neglected by mainstream providers.

Ms Stevens told PoliticsHome that the response to her question “shows just how unprepared the Tory government is for leaving the EU without a deal, and how reckless the Tory leadership candidates have been in advocating one”

She added: “People with disabilities will be deeply concerned about their futures and will properly ask why the government and the candidates to be prime minister have ignored them.”

Marsha de Cordova, the shadow minister for disabled people, said: “Many disabled people face the prospect of losing out on vital medicines, funding and support as the result of a catastrophic no-deal Brexit.

“But the government is shamefully treating disabled people as collateral damage to the chaos it has created. It is disgraceful that the government continues to ignore the effect of crashing out of the EU on millions of disabled people in this country, some of whom already face destitution as a result of brutal austerity measures.

A government spokesperson said: “The government is committed to protecting the rights of disabled people and those with health conditions, supporting them into work and to live independently.

“We are preparing for all eventualities to ensure claimants continue to get the right support.”

colouringinpro · 11/09/2019 19:54

What???!!! 🤬

HelenaDove · 11/09/2019 20:07

Yep No preparation whatsoever Saying they cant guarantee no one will die but people will STILL vote for them.

colouringinpro · 11/09/2019 20:44

OMG that is totally disgusting!

BeardedMum · 11/09/2019 20:45

People will rather die of medicine shortage than Corbyn being PM🤷🏻‍♀️

Justanotherlurker · 11/09/2019 20:52

www.gov.uk/government/publications/government-response-to-humble-address-motion

Well the Yellow Hammer reports are published, looks like quite a lot of opinion has been dressed up as fact in this thread, it's ironic to think the narrative for the past couple of years is that people who voted leave (I'm not one of them) lacked critical thinking and just swallowed the media driven narrative. Looks like a lot on here have done the exact same thing.

SciFiRules · 11/09/2019 21:02

Why can't people grasp that if we have customs delays around ports then all cargo is impacted not just cargo to/from the EU! This country was an awful place in the early nineties, since then I've managed to build a life, get married and have children. If I lose my house and my children end up in temporary accommodation or a grotty B&B, would a leaver like to tell everyone how I explain that to me children? Or how watching my childrens education and future suffer improves your position?

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 11/09/2019 21:05

People will rather die of medicine shortage than Corbyn being PM🤷🏻‍♀️

Since when is Corbyn a Remainer? He's just as bad a the rest of them.

Voila212 · 11/09/2019 21:12

And yet leavers are shouting project fear!!! Even after reading this, I can't fathom this, it's utter madness😠

Graphista · 11/09/2019 22:56

"Bet they don't take a single iota of it on board though tragically." Probably not but maybe someone else reading who is unaware of the issues might.

Thanks to thereisasystem and Mia1415 by the way

"Anyone remember the Youth Opportunities Programme in the late/70s early 80s?" I remember several of my friends were exploited this way!

The companies would use them until they aged out of the scheme, say there was no permanent job available and dump them and the following month have another 16 year old start via the same scheme!

"The veneer of civilisation is incredibly thin." Yep!

Helenadove - of course they haven't considered the impact on the disabled - because they do not give one tiny fuck about us! If some of us die because of this almighty cock up more money/resources for them and theirs!

Beardedmum your post at 2045 (which I HAVE reported and WON'T repeat!!)

ffs don't be so UTTERLY ridiculous!! That post is fucking offensive to people like me for whom the risk of DYING because of this TORY FARCE is actually a REAL POSSIBILITY!

Graphista · 11/09/2019 22:56

JustAnotheurker have you even read the document?!

Straight away in first few paragraphs is basically "we know fuck all about what's gonna happen" (I'm paraphrasing obviously but that is the gist!)

We know fuck all about how other countries both inside and outwith the eu are going to respond

We know fuck all about what preparations private companies within the uk have made

It gets better! - again I'm paraphrasing

Other things that stretch uk resources and affect transport of goods like severe bad weather, flu epidemics probably would make things even worse.

Private companies will prioritise their own interests (no shit!)

1 It happening on a Friday and possibly coinciding with school holidays will ALSO probably make matters worse

Slight glimmer of hope here:

2 Some eu countries might be negatively affected and that might make them more likely to be kind to us!

However

3 France is not likely to be kind! As much As 85% of freight might be delayed by French officials because of brexit. Within 1 day freight movement is likely to be reduced by around half! This will probably last about 3 months until things START to improve. Kent will probably turn pretty much overnight into a massive car park!

4 travellers between uk and eu will likely face delays due to increased passport controls

5 energy supply ok (we think!) as long as you can afford the likely massive and pretty much instant price rises! except in NI where disruption on day 1 is expected

6 oh actually freight might be majorly disrupted for at least 6 months!

Medicines? That so many pps have said those of us worried about this were "scaremongering" about - this is NOT paraphrasing but a direct quote

The reliance of medicines and medical products' supply chains on the short straits crossing make them particularly vulnerable to severe extended delays; three quarters of medicines come via the short straits. Supply chains are also highly regulated and require transportation that meets strict good distribution practices. This can include limits on time of transit, or mean product must be transported under temperature controlled conditions. Whilst some products can be stockpiled, others cannot due to short shelf lives - it will also not be practical to stockpile products to cover expected delays of up to six months. DHSC is developing a multi-layered approach to mitigate these risks

@Tabbymumz for the love of god just even read that ONE paragraph and try and tell me that my dd and I and all the rest of us on LIFE SAVING medication that we have 'nothing to worry about'!!!!!

Back to paraphrasing

6 ii - and we've no fucking clue about veterinary medicine either and THAT will likely lead to disease outbreaks and compromised food safety! Looking forward to an outbreak of rabies? Farmers - able to withstand another outbreak of foot and mouth disease?

7 we MIGHT have enough food but not much fresh food or choice and prices WILL rise significantly. Panic buying will make things worse (panic buying is NOT the same as stockpiling. We sensible stockpilers will NOT be the ones panic buying)

ii water supply "should" be fine - we're relying on the water companies to bail us out of that cock up! "Only" 100,000s of people will be affected and hey if that includes people vulnerable to infection and makes them sick we don't care.

Direct quote coming up

urgent action may need to be take to make sure people continue to have access to clean water - in U.K. In 2019!!!

8 cross border financial services will probably be disrupted (any Santander mners?)

9&10 legal stuff will be a bloody nightmare to administrate properly

11 expats are screwed (especially with access to healthcare in Eu countries) and our consuls will be overwhelmed

12 Gibraltar is screwed basically

13 civil unrest - basically we're totally expecting it! But haven't really bothered preparing for it

14 basically yea massive petrol shortages for God knows how long

15 this is redacted! Why?!

16 insurance payments from uk to eu buggered

17 another direct quote, this time on low income groups. We only warrant ONE LINE though!

low income groups will be disproportionately affected by any price rises in food and fuel

No shit! But fuck all prep!

18 I think is best summed up as - NI is screwed and we don't give a fuck! We also don't give a fuck about the effect of this on the Irish.

19 the effect on the fishing industry will likely lead to basically warfare in the seas surrounding the uk also probably increased sea based criminality

20 social care providers likely to feel major negative effects within a few months. But we're doing sod all prep and expecting providers and local authorities to fix this for us!

staydazzling · 11/09/2019 23:28

on the basis of the great replies, and recent information, we have decided to start stockpiling, photocopying important documents, birth certificates, etc have bags ready, aquire some petrol reserve,

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Awaywiththefairies27 · 11/09/2019 23:54

I have at least one friend who may die if the medicine supplies aren't sorted ASAP. I know several people who's lives depend on imported medicine and they're having a worrying time getting their prescriptions filled already. These are people in their late 20s. Truly upsetting. More ambulance calls, more bed blocking. They need their meds to live.

Am I scared? I'm terrified for them and for all the people who are already below the breadline.

HappyParent2000 · 12/09/2019 00:02

Not scared at all of a "no deal Brexit" and I'm 100% Remain.

Worst case for me, the one I am scared of, is having a deal where we don't get to vote on the laws we follow!

Its either 100% in or 100% out, preferably in please!

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 12/09/2019 07:17

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bellinisurge · 12/09/2019 07:25

Please can people not get a petrol reserve. Your petrol storage should only be in the tank of your car. Get into the habit of never being less than half full.
Petrol is difficult to store as well as dangerous and has a short shelf life.
Better to have contingency plans where you limit use and drive slower with low revs. I was an adult driver during the petrol strike 20 years ago. That's what we all did. I'm also a general prepper so I know this stuff.

Cam77 · 12/09/2019 07:25

Al Johnson is still after No Deal - it is expected from his hedge fund backers (who backed him as leader to this purpose) who have placed billions on a No Deal crash out since the beginning of the year. Disaster Capitalism. To call them vultures would be disrespectful to those magnificent birds. I’ll leave a . . . for what I think of Al Johnson. It’s not pleasant.

Cam77 · 12/09/2019 07:29

I love Farage using the words “clean break. A bit similar to a “clean divorce” a separation whereby absolutely nothing was agreed or put in writing and you spend the next five years banging on each other doors at 5am and screaming at one another in the street.
No Deal is throwing the last three years of torture down the toilet - and then starting again from scratch the very next day from an ever worse position as the economy tanks. “Clean Break” lmfao

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