I'm wondering what boris is meant to do?

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The referendum result was leave .

The EU will not renegotiate but parliament wouldn't back the only deal available.

Now they won't back leaving at all.

The result was leave. Johnson promised to deliver that result.

So what now ?
There is No solution to this fuck up is there?

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

And not one party agrees with anything anyway. The EU will NOT negotiate so what are the options that the rebel MPs would like ?
Ignore the vote and pretend it didn't happen?

I am so sick of Brexit. David Cameron should be put in the stocks....

The main thrust of this comes from England which considering the main point of leaving is so that other countries dont tell us what to do is ironic.

Your point would make sense if the Irish, Welsh and Scots were denied a vote.

Your point would make sense if the Irish, Welsh and Scots were denied a vote.

NI and Scotland voted to remain.

There was an amendment proposed to the referendum bill whereby all 4 countries of the UK would need to be in agreement, but that was voted down as unnecessary for an advisory referendum.

Just wondering how much money/how many resources, of UK government and devolved governments, being frittered away on all this. It's politicking and administration costs.

Charities, where people donate money willingly, have laws and regulations in place regarding the percentage they can use on administration.

So you are saying we never had a vote in the EU? Of course we did we just picked people like Nigel Farage

And of course they weren’t denied a vote it just we are bigger than them so our will is therefore followed the most. The number of English people eligible to vote is more than voted in the entire referendum. So it’s a meaningless vote for all the other countries because what we say goes

Now can you see the irony of all of this.

It will be the end of the UK. Because the others will want to vote for independence and I can’t see anything other than a yes

Continuityerror it would also have meant the other countries in the Uk being able to dictate to England what would happen

Although of course you are right it was advisory!

@AsTheWorldTurns - Your point would make sense if the Irish, Welsh and Scots were denied a vote.

Not really. Gerrymandering of electoral boundaries in NI to ensure nationalists were denied rights in terms of education, housing, employment etc resulted in the troubles.

When you have multiple traditions or nationalities in a country, it's important each is given a voice. Majority rules, without considering minority viewpoints, only leads to trouble.

Dictate to England?

As in the members of the Union are not equal partners?

And then people wonder why the Scots want to leave the Union and NI are feeling just a little bit fucked over.

@AsTheWorldTurns

Your point would make sense if the Irish, Welsh and Scots were denied a vote

Well actually the eligible electorate in Northern Ireland on the day of the Brexit referendum was only 1,260988 people ( with 789000 votes cast)

This is 8500 less than the difference in the overall UK votes

So even if Northern Ireland had a 100% turnout on the day with all of them voting remain it still wouldnt have been enough to swing the overall result so their voice didnt really count at all. They might as well not even have had a vote.

So they absolutely are being ripped out of the EU and being dictated to by the english and welsh votes

And yet they stand to be affected the most.

This is the news over here tonight by the way

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49619810

Yep exactly whatever happened it would be England that decides the fate of a union 200/300 years old because we don’t like the EU telling us what to do

And even though NI (and Scotland and Wales) will be hit harder than us it’s what we want so it must happen

The fact it the only people stopping us having more say in the EU are ourselves

So yes astheworldturns either way you look at it the point holds

Yep exactly whatever happened it would be England that decides the fate of a union 200/300 years old because we don’t like the EU telling us what to do England and WALES - don't ignore the Welsh vote

And even though NI (and Scotland and Wales) will be hit harder than us it’s what we want so it must happen And yet Wales voted Leave! Don't patronise the Welsh with faux pity!

Here are my ideas:

The way the world is at the minute: is a system designed to control.

Schools - are designed to control children.
Work - is designed to control adults.

You are all partaking in a system and giving your control to someone else.

The way the current system is , with schools and work - is just the thought of someone else. Everyone is else is going alone with some one elses idea. Stop and think. Society is only the way it is, because some one tells us to do things. How else could society be? What would your ideal society be?

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I remember the first referendum in the 1970s when we were in and adults (I was too young) voted to stay in.

London voted to remain as did most central cities including Newcastle and Leeds and Cambridge. However remain lost so here we are. What a mess.

My guess is either MPs will agree a version of the withdrawal agreement in October and we leave with that deal or else we will leave without a deal as the EU will not extend time again.

Given the latest development on this story - a second prorogation (a practice with highly dubious claims in a supposed democratic system) to stall the process of opposition along which our adversarial constitutional system operates - it's probably not unreasonable to suggest that the man has lost the ever-loving plot.

And here was me thinking Thatcher and Blair were megalomaniacs. This kind of practice simply should not be possible in a modern political system in a supposedly advanced, developed country, which loudly trumpets its ideals of democracy and freedom to other, more 'ignorant' regimes. Seriously, how dare we?

Hopefully the least this will illustrate is the very real flaws in this country's constitutional system, which IMO needs tearing up and rewriting on an urgent basis. More urgent than worrying about the UK's future relationship with the EU is the need to get our own house in order. I'm not holding my breath.

Really, this is very bloody scary stuff.

Apologise and resign urgently

Great hilarity in Ireland over this morning's press conference. Boris moved, twitched, looked at the sky, smiled, fidgeted, tried to scene-steal

www.facebook.com/HappyToastArts/videos/734099943707667/

I’m actually feeling quite chipper. This is the week the grownups stepped in. Boris is a dead man walking. No deal’s been mortally wounded. It looks as if the EU will give us an extension. We have a General Election in November and it’s anybody’s to win, especially if the Tories can ditch their leader.

Also Bercow, whom we've known for a year wouldn't stand in another GE, is departing at a time that allows this anti No Deal, anti dictatorship of the executive Parliament to choose his successor. Meaning it's more likely to be someone who will take action to protect parliamentary sovereignty than it might be later on.

When Hercules started killing his own children, athena knocked him unconscious for his own good

Absolutely @MerryChristmasHarry. It feels a bit as if the boil’s been lanced.

I wouldn't go that far yet, but it's certainly been a shitter of a week for Boris. Which is in all our interests.

When Hercules started killing his own children, athena knocked him unconscious for his own good
Varadkar out classics-ing Boris made my lunchtime😂

@Alsohuman - I’m actually feeling quite chipper. This is the week the grownups stepped in

I agree with you. I think the prospect of no deal is receding. Johnson seems to have realised that no deal will scupper his career. I'm betting on a NI backstop plus an all-Ireland animal and food-safety regime, which, with some tweaks, could do the job. However, there is a danger that Johnson will try and put in some unacceptable conditions that would give a veto power to the assembly, which has is majority unionist.

Varadkar out classics-ing Boris made my lunchtime

Boris smirked - I almost expected him to chip in with "A hit! A very palpable hit!"

Varadkar out classics-ing Boris made my lunchtime

Its not a points scoring or popularity contest though. We need politicians who can come to sensible, workable solutions through negotiations, not score points off each other for the sake of the media.