I'm wondering what boris is meant to do?

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The referendum result was leave .

The EU will not renegotiate but parliament wouldn't back the only deal available.

Now they won't back leaving at all.

The result was leave. Johnson promised to deliver that result.

So what now ?
There is No solution to this fuck up is there?

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

And not one party agrees with anything anyway. The EU will NOT negotiate so what are the options that the rebel MPs would like ?
Ignore the vote and pretend it didn't happen?

I am so sick of Brexit. David Cameron should be put in the stocks....

The eu is very left and too left and far right flourishing. Far left and far right.

Would you mind rewriting that in English and give some evidence?

@emilybrontescorset, Labour have said if they get a deal with EU it will include staying in Single Market and Customs Union. That is not leaving EU is it? Staying in both of these means we can't strike trade deals with any country EU does not have with already as would break allignment. Accepting May's remainer deal means sharing 5 eye intelligence with EU but they refuse to reciprocate by sharing Europole intelligence, means we won't be able to set our own taxation policies as EU insist in level pkaying field which negates advantages of leaving and we still have to accept ECJ as higher than our own courts. Leave means leaving not staying in all but name. Leaving so we can set our own taxation system not dependent upon or dictated by EU, free to agree free trade deals with other countries, free to set our immigration policy on skills shortage not if a perzon belongs to EU. This means we can accept talented people from all over world dependent on their skills. Boris is gaining more momentum inolls and Labour is losing points due to angering the millions of leave voters Labour have who they ignore and insult.

it will include staying in Single Market and Customs Union.

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Leave means leaving not staying in all but name.

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Staying in single market and customs union sounds mighty like cake and eat it, to me. At this stage I think you should make a clean break, and organise all those great deals with other countries.

I would mind yes 😂.

You prove to the contrary and also I'd like to know why you seem to deem far right worse than far left.
Please provide evidence to back up these statements.

For all of you remainers saying leave voters lied what about Carney who has now accepted hexwas wrong in his wildly negative prediction. What about if we vote to leave banks will move to Ireand and Scotland and there will be 800,000 job loses in UK. We were told house prices would crash, unemplyment would soar from day after vote. House prices are going up and unemployment is lowest in 27 years. Project Fear has been exposed as biggest lie and conspiracy of all time. Using worst case scenarios is not an accurate prediction tool.

Staying in CU and SM is very expensive cake Juells. This yeats payments are 1 billion every month gross so after rebate and payments to UK still over £775 million every month. Next year the EU has put our price up from 12 billion gross to 17 billon gross because our economy doing well and EU countries overall not so good. Ifcwe left under remaining terms our economy would plummet as we would lose any benefits to EU membership whist not being allowed to aquire leaving benefits as still too aligned to make trade seals with other countries not in EU impossible.

Using worst case scenarios is not an accurate prediction tool.

Maybe you need to let the government know that because operation yellowhammer looks like shit

caringcarer - you haven't left yet.

I asked another poster to prove that 800,000 lost jobs schtik the other day and they couldn’t. You do understand “worst case scenario” @caringcarer? Carney very astutely managed to prevent the economy tanking but the £ plummeted because he couldn’t influence that.

Johnson has been done up like a kipper by Corbyn. He's been completely out-manouvered, and has nowhere to go but resigning. The UK wont leave the EU with no deal on 31/10, so BJ has got to go. Shortly after there'll be a GE, and a Labour government.

Shortly after there'll be a GE, and a Labour government. Not if teh YouGov poll is right.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/03/voting-intention-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-

Just offf to see how accurat eit has been previously - ooh! Accurate for order of results, if off a little on %.

Johnson has done himself up like a kipper. Corbyn has merely tightened the knots. An interesting analysis here.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/08/like-macbeth-johnson-too-steeped-in-blood-to-turn-back-what-next

Prison would be a good start.

He is an utter fool. If this had been a strategy to 'flush out' his opposing remainers before going to the polls without so much of a divided party, it's a high-risk one and a pretty bold and aggressive move. I once had Johnson down as a dangerously ruthless and highly intelligent man whose exterior of an affable, bumbling buffoon was a very clever show.

I now think the first impression was far more accurate and he is indeed exactly the inept baboon he appears to be.

With all this aggressive rhetoric he's effectively backed himself into a corner. He underestimated the ferocity of the opposition to his political will, and has probably talked himself into resignation if he doesn't get it.

For ineptitude Johnson has a lot of competition, but aside from that I'd not be at all surprised if he goes down as one of the shortest, and most incompetent, PMs in UK history.

What an absolute, farcical mess.

Shortest-lived that is, not shortest in height :)

At this rate he'll be the shortest lived PM in history. Couldn’t happen to a better person.

A leaflet setting out for and against arguments absolutely is not the same as a full proposal exactly how we will leave and all the terms with all the issues set out exactly how they will be dealt with.

The Uk basically signed a divorce agreement without the solicitors drafting up a settlement first

That’s why the referendum should not be honoured and we should start from scratch.

Having another vote only when all the technology is created developed and in place to deal with borders and a way forward is agreed and accepted by the people

If Macron vetos his request, he’ll get his no deal anyway.

Really, what matters most is who ends up owning the narrative of disaster and chaos in the long term.

Historically, conservatives have a record of managing to pin it on the labour eg ‘the 70s’ and the global banking crisis. Managing this so that the electorate see it as ‘labour’s fault’ is extremely important.

@Alsohuman: indeed. Unfortunately I'm allowing for the fact that he hasn't actually gone yet. As this shitshow keeps showing us as it plays out, anything can happen.

In response to: Leave means leaving not staying in all but name.

Surely if the past three years have shown us anything at all, it's that the repetitive soundbite 'Leave Means Leave' is a gross oversimplification of the mechanics of actually executing that process, and the potential implications for Britain these might entail.

For starters, the referendum didn't include the option of voting for 'leave with no deal'. And the leavers forcefully campaigned on the basis that it wouldn't come to this.

And neither side has any business in bellowing the word 'UNDEMOCRATIC!' at each other. To do so is to miss the point spectacularly, considering recent events have shown precisely how unfit for purpose the UK constitution is, and that it hardly qualifies as 'democratic' in the first place.

I doubt many of those sitting in the HoC (and HoL in particular) even know the meaning of that word.

If he lasts until Christmas I’ll eat my fairy lights.

@57Autumnintheair

I would mind yes 😂.
You prove to the contrary

Contrary to what exactly?

Fine. If you want to make (barely understandable) statements you're not prepared to back up, then I'll ignore them as bullshit.

I have seen stirring of the far right and far left, but only noticed flourishing of far right parties or wings of parties.

But you must have good examples of flourishing far left parties that I've missed. Can't wait...

It’s always been a losing battle. MPs should hang their heads in shame because they all have their own agenda - the majority are Remainers and so obviously are going to vote everything down in the hope that their actions will force a second referendum. They’ve made the Houses of Parliament into their playpen and it’s a farce. Whoever is prime minister is going to face the exact same issues.

Why so many people want to stay in club that charges 5 countries a net amount and 23 just take benefits beats me. That is what the EU is and does. We have a house in France and all of our neighbours over there hate the EU and Macron too. They have told us they wish they could come out but Macron won't allow them a referendum because he knows leave would win.

We have a house in France

Oh, the irony.

Remainers in parliament had the option to stop no deal Brexit via a peoples election in October. They have chickened out of doing that.

Given that, Boris should take us out of the EU on the 31st without a deal. He has a duty to obey the democratic result of the peoples vote to leave, ignore the remainers surrender bill and put the country first not MPs.

If he is somehow stopped from doing that he should refuse to appoint a commissioner and paralyse the EU.

Just caught a minute of Dominic Raab on Sky, he mentioned 'Corbyn's Surrender Bill' 😂 All I could think of was the time Americans started talking about Freedom Fries and calling the French 'Surrender Monkeys'. 😂