I'm wondering what boris is meant to do?

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The referendum result was leave .

The EU will not renegotiate but parliament wouldn't back the only deal available.

Now they won't back leaving at all.

The result was leave. Johnson promised to deliver that result.

So what now ?
There is No solution to this fuck up is there?

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

And not one party agrees with anything anyway. The EU will NOT negotiate so what are the options that the rebel MPs would like ?
Ignore the vote and pretend it didn't happen?

I am so sick of Brexit. David Cameron should be put in the stocks....

Christ that’s scary.

Corbyn is himself not upset about leaving the EU. If it were just about his ideals, I doubt he'd care too much about blocking No Deal. However, Labour have realised, two years after they should've, that their support base is Remainers. He knows he will not be forgiven by the people who voted for him in 2017 if he does Johnson's bidding, acquiesces to a GE and in doing so allows us to crash out. So that's why he's taking action to prevent No Deal.

Corbyn support base are also those leavers that will be hit by no deal the worst as well hence why he wants to stop it.

The reason the ERG want is is money based so I can see why they want it

Remove the EU and you remove certain other checks and balances that prevent the megalomaniacs in our ruling echelons from acting with complete impunity.

This is actually a major reason I voted remain (I assume you meant to write 'leavers' in your first line?)

Both Lexit and ERG types want to ditch the EU so they can create their own version of Utopia without the EU rules on state subsidies/workers' rights etc.

I don't think either of those visions is desirable and hopefully neither are electable anyway, I was quite happy with all the EU countries cooperating together to decide our limits.

...if you did mean to write remainers, then yes I agree with the need for democratic reform of the UK.

Your all boring.
Vote was to leave, morons can't
understand basic binary.

Beautiful haiku.

Crap grammar.

To clarify: yes - I did mean to write 'leavers!'

At no point was no deal talked about in the referendum and suddenly everyone wants it Maybe you didn't follow the referendum very closely but from the PM down it was repeatedly said that a vote for leave meant leaving the SM & CU.

The facts are that a vote to remain was unknown further integration with the EU.

The vote to Leave was to try & negotiate a deal but to leave after 2 years either way. We did in fact negotiate a deal but we didn't leave after 2 years. 17.4 million people have been betrayed and so we are trusting Boris to do whatever it takes to enact the majority democratic vote and get us out. This attempted remain coup is unbelievable.

The crap from remainers about leaving the EU without a deal wasn't on the ballot is just fake news.

Vote was to leave not leave with no deal.

If 'the deal' = remaining in the single market, what is the actual point of leaving?

The only sensible option now available is to revoke article 50 and pass a law making it a criminal offence to mention brexit ever again. Brexit? Nope, never heard of it.

If 'the deal' = remaining in the single market, what is the actual point of leaving?

well yes quite exactly what is the point of Brexit. I am still waiting for someone to tell me. And if its to give Parliament more sovereignty then really? Is that what we want more power to them.

If we have a GE and Conservatives team up with BXP then I suspect they will win a majority.
So no deal is still on the horizon.

Or perhaps the Remain parties can join up and win a majority.

Either way, there will be clarity regarding leave or remain.

At no point was no deal talked about in the referendum and suddenly everyone wants it

Maybe you didn't follow the referendum very closely

Maybe you completely missed the Johnson / Gove Office official campaign Vote Leave leaflets that absolutely talked about a deal?

This really is tedious.

The facts are that a vote to remain was unknown further integration with the EU.

More nonsense.

There is no “further integration into the EU” as Cameron had secured that in 2015.

The most hilarious thing is that Corbyn probably wants to leave the EU more than Johnson. During the referendum, both decided the electorate: Corbyn by following his party with Remain and Johnson following his career with Leave.

^ both deceived the electorate

I dont remember being told that only one option in the referendum was allowed! Apparently a vote for leave was actually a vote for remain. A silent coup.

“If we have a GE and Conservatives team up with BXP then I suspect they will win a majority.”

That would depend on BXP winning a seat, something that UKIP never succeeded in doing. The most recent half dozen polls have virtually nothing in %vote BXP+CON vs (a possible) LAB+LD remain ticket. Predictions are a mugs game amid the current chaos.

We did in fact negotiate a deal but we didn't leave after 2 years.

Now tell me - who didn’t vote for the WA? Oh yes, the Tory right wing “party within a party” ERG.

Didn’t see them losing the whip for voting against the Government.

Walkingdeadfangirl
It’s half the country against the other half with the hapless politicians/Ireland/EU in the middle. There is no “coup”. Interestingly the event of another referendum in 2019, bookmakers have a Leave win as 5/1 against - a strong hint as to the current direction of the wind. Anyone claiming the most fascistic sounding “will of the people” is on very shaky ground indeed.

walkingdeadfangirl - continuityerror has helpfully set out exactly what was said in the referendum by Voteleave

The saddest thing about all of this is that if we do have a general election and the Con/Brexit party win and they take us out we are left with people who simply stood to do this. No knowledge or experience of being a MP suddenly left in charge of a country traversing an unknown route. Having lost a lot of MPs who knew what they were doing.

And this is somehow suppose to be the ideal and what we are working towards

Or we can get Corbyn - who wants to tax equity

Whatever happens we are screwed.

And weirdly we keep saying the will of the country. We are 4 countries at the time it was 2:2 now I suspect it will be 3:1. So basically its the will of the english!

Cam77

It’s half the country against the other half with the hapless politicians/Ireland/EU in the middle.

It’s not even that - it’s 37% of the UK electorate holding the other 63% to ransom.

Breaking news... his plan is to send an accompanying letter to neutralise the extension request.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/08/boris-johnson-draws-plan-legally-stop-brexit-extension-mps-vote/

So basically its the will of the English!

And the Welsh.

Astheworldturns its questionable how Wales would be - see some quotes from Plaid Cymru after the EU elections.

The main thrust of this comes from England which considering the main point of leaving is so that other countries dont tell us what to do is ironic. Because we want to tell the rest of the UK what to do, whilst saying its what the country wants. Forgetting of course that the UK isnt just one country its a mini Union of all its own