I'm wondering what boris is meant to do?

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The referendum result was leave .

The EU will not renegotiate but parliament wouldn't back the only deal available.

Now they won't back leaving at all.

The result was leave. Johnson promised to deliver that result.

So what now ?
There is No solution to this fuck up is there?

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

And not one party agrees with anything anyway. The EU will NOT negotiate so what are the options that the rebel MPs would like ?
Ignore the vote and pretend it didn't happen?

I am so sick of Brexit. David Cameron should be put in the stocks....

The Remain MPs would, if they allowed a GE before No Deal has been ruled out, be giving Boris the ability to delay an election long enough to force No Deal. They couldn't possibly allow this, it would be utter tactical stupidity. This is why Boris proposed it in the first place. To try and make it look to the credulous like they were scared rather than having belatedly discovered a smidgen of backbone.

Can't believe all this moaning about corbyn tbh. He's not perfect (don't think he should've voted to trigger article 50), but he didn't create this mess. It was Cameron trying to put the issue to bed once and for all which backfired. For months all I've heard is, 'where's JC, he's shit, why don't the opposition oppose? Labour should be all over it'. Now it's 'why does the opposition have so much power, bloody corbyn blocking everything'. Well that's what people wanted! He had to be seen to be trying to honour the result of the ref and a lot of northern labour constituencies voted leave. He's stuck between a rock and a hard place because a lot of the newer, younger lot are remainders. He/labour did come up with ideas, they devised a deal which seemed sensible (although probably top soft for hardcore brexiters) but he wasn't in power. Theresa may didn't attempt cross party talks at the start, just went ahead and got her deal When she finally did reach out to corbyn, they got nowhere because she wouldn't budge on her red lines and the deal was already done and signed off! Like pp said, if they'd only budge on the freedom of movement one, things would be easier. But that was a main one because of immigration being a major reason for people wanting leave. Don't know why they don't just budge on it but frame it as a bonus as we get to keep our FOM and explain that we can control it anyway. We have passport control and live on an island. Plus it doesn't make any difference to illegal immigrants or from people outside EU.

A GE is probably the only answer. They need to be totally honest and explain the situation properly to the public, admit they fucked up and lay out the actual options possible. Because at the moment, leavers still feel betrayed that they are not getting what they thought they were and remainers are pissed off because it seems we are committing national suicide. If a gov gets a decent majority and can agree about something, it would make things easy to pass. It was a very bad idea to have a referendum on such a binary issue with no detail. It's totally fucked the country up and possibly destroying our parliamentary system as we know it. I think they'll be riots and maybe civil war and we'll feel the affects for generations. Makes me sad to see the country in such a mess, feel really sorry for our children who'll have to live through it.

I think a lot of voters who voted leave will vote conservative.
I think BJ still has a lot of support, rather like Trump.
He believes the more outlandish his comments are , the more some voters like him.

I’m struggling to find a word which describes a so called, extremely well educated, highly privileged, intelligent man.
Born into wealth and pomposity.
One who has had no struggles in life.
A man with an Oxford university education.

Who then when asked to answer a very straight forward set of questions replys with a steam of unfathomable insults, such as calling someone ‘ a chlorinated chicken’ and ‘ a big girl’s blouse.’
Utterly bizarre.

All that money spent on a private education and that is the result.

The Remain MPs would, if they allowed a GE before No Deal has been ruled out, be giving Boris the ability to delay an election long enough to force No Deal
What tosh, parliament could easily pass a bill with the date of the GE in it so Boris couldn't do that. Its just the excuse remainer MPs are using to cover up that they are chlorinated chicken going to lose a GE whilst Corbyn is the leader.

He's out of touch because he's never had any of the struggles a lot of us face. He's also spoilt and been brought up to think he's the elite. Over inflated ego. But he hasn't got a clue about anything. I almost felt sorry for him when I read he was shocked at the backlash he got and felt nervous and out of his depth and then cried about his brother leaving. But then I remember that he caused a lot of this and the chickens are coming home to roost. He's lied and gambled with the country and doesn't give a flying fuck about normal people.

He should extend article 50 resign and then there should be a general election. Hopefully the balance will shift in parliament. Small amendments to the deal can be sought and it will get voted through.

03Walkingdeadfangirl. It's not that simple though is it and I am assuming you know that. If they have a GE next month and Tories win then no deal is still a possibility. Avoiding no deal is a priority for the opposition parties. They will vote for a GE once that immediate threat has passed.

If you think Tories will win then just be patient it's only 8 weeks then they will have a majority and can go for it with no deal in January if that's their choice.

Call JC chicken if you like. He isn't realistically gonna win your vote and others who feel like you so I doubt he's bothered and obviously once he agrees to an election he can't be called a chicken for not agreeing to an election anymore so the Tories will have to find another insult to throw at him. Perhaps one with more substance.

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Avoiding no deal is a priority for the opposition parties. They will vote for a GE once that immediate threat has passed
That is the excuse given, however its completely illogical. If Labour wins a GE in October they could immediately take no deal off the table. No deal will always be on the table until Boris has been defeated.

If Boris did win a GE he wouldn't be waiting until January to get us out.

Boris should revoke Article 50. Then he should apologise, then he should resign. If Brexiters still want to Brexit then they have plenty of time to come up with a credible and realistic version of Brexit as there will be no ticking clock if we revoke.

What is incredibly stupid in this country is that parties cannot work together for the national interest.

If you have one party in power,and another party in opposition - that hates the first party, why would they agree on anything?

So far, it has never been : everyone sitting down and looking for a solution.

It has constantly been the PM 's party putting forward a proposal, and the opposition party blocking it.

The opposition party have not been putting FORWARD any ideas, they have just made sure to block any other ideas.

Does no one else see that this is the entire problem?

*What is incredibly stupid in this country is that parties cannot work together for the national interest.

If you have one party in power,and another party in opposition - that hates the first party, why would they agree on anything?

So far, it has never been : everyone sitting down and looking for a solution.

It has constantly been the PM 's party putting forward a proposal, and the opposition party blocking it.

The opposition party have not been putting FORWARD any ideas, they have just made sure to block any other ideas.

Does no one else see that this is the entire problem?*

Not true at all. Until recently the government with the help of the DUP had a majority. Brexit would have been delivered by now if the government's own party had voted for it. It's not the opposition's job to prop up the government. For the avoidance of doubt it is because the Tory's and specifically the ERG blocked the WDA that we are in this mess

The Remain MPs would, if they allowed a GE before No Deal has been ruled out, be giving Boris the ability to delay an election long enough to force No Deal
What tosh, parliament could easily pass a bill with the date of the GE in it so Boris couldn't do that. Its just the excuse remainer MPs are using to cover up that they are chlorinated chicken going to lose a GE whilst Corbyn is the leader.

Also not true, the terms of FTPA are that the PM sets the date if the election. This is the worry

So what exactly has Jeremy Corbyn proposed? Rather than just blocking everything.

I have been abroad a good bit this summer, and I have to say that many countries are shocked at what a shambles our government is. And how they cannot organise anything.

"They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery " was mentioned

Why so many people want to stay in club that charges 5 countries a net amount and 23 just take benefits beats me. That is what the EU is and does. We have a house in France and all of our neighbours over there hate the EU and Macron too. They have told us they wish they could come out but Macron won't allow them a referendum because he knows leave would win.

Good grief so much misinformation on this thread! Those Russian boys are working overtime,

What evidence do you have that 23 countries just take benefits?

As for France even the Front Nationale have dropped their push for 'Frexit' after seeing the mess we are making of Brexit

*So what exactly has Jeremy Corbyn proposed? Rather than just blocking everything.

I have been abroad a good bit this summer, and I have to say that many countries are shocked at what a shambles our government is. And how they cannot organise anything.

"They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery " was mentioned*

I think Labours plan was to stay in the SM and CU which would comply with the GFA, and also allow free frictionless movement of goods and retain the economic benefits of membership.

I agree with bobbie it is not the opposition's job to sort this mess out.
Cameron started this mess.
May continued it.
Johnson is still continuing it.

It is up to them to sort it out.

If you need support from members of other parties then approach it I am adult, civilised way.

Would you help BJ if you were Corbyn? I would not.
He would have to get down on his knees and beg me. He would have to publicly apologise and praise me in public.
He would have to promote me at every opportunity.
Otherwise I would sit back and let him do what he is doing, fucking things up.

I would then when a GE is called, list all of BJs mistakes and incompetencies,p
every single one.
That would be my election campaign. Just ha e the Tories have always done.
In response to everything, I would bring it back to the failures of BJ. Every single time.

@Emily that makes no sense at all.

If it is not the opposition's job to sort out this mess, then why is it the opposition's job to BLOCK everything?

If it is not their job , then they should stay out of it!

Angel - the opposition aren't blocking everything their own side are!

I have lived abroad for a long time and been exposed to other types of Governments , and the UK system is the most stupid system out there.

NOWHERE else has as aggressive an opposition system as the UK does.

JC hates BJ. Anything BJ tries to do will be blocked. How is that democracy. How is that effective?

So we have a government with equal numbers of seats to parties that all hate each other, and will not work together. A stupid system.

The whole system needs an overhaul.

It is the Tories job to sort it out, they were the ones who got us into this mess.
Totally Cameron's fault.
He needed a referendum to get elected.
He got it, although not the result he was hoping for!
Then he fled because he knew h e would not survive.

It is their cock up and from a political point of view, Cornyn would be well advised to sit back and let BJ et al commit political suicide.

He should revoke, then apologise. Brexit is a shit idea and he gave it credibility because he wanted to be PM.

Emily - I think that is a stupid thing to say - let the Tories sort this out.

Do you know how many lives this is affecting? I have just visited Ireland and everyone is incredibly worried there about peace breaking down, and war breaking out.

This is an urgent matter that all parties need to sit down and sort out. And get over their egos!

I couldn't agree more Angel but the Tory's were more than capable of sorting it out. They had a majority. They just couldn't agree between themselves what they wanted.