To not understand Brexit?

[HakunaMatataa]

Please don't come for me, I am very out of the loop r.e: Brexit. I have no idea what is happening and what the implications of this could be on our everyday lives.

I keep seeing threads about stock piling ect and now I'm left wondering if I should be preparing?!

So basically I suppose I'd like some views on Brexit, some pro's and cons in layman's terms, so I can try and get my head around it please.

Is this just alot of scare mongering going on or shall I be concerned?

I've obviously googled this but politics isnt my strong point and I just don't get it.

@Trimummy3

I think there must be more at play here.

Yes, there is. There are the lies sown by Boris Johnson decades ago for a jape and a “weird sense of power.” These were taken up and presented as truth by the media because it sells papers.

A banking crisis that left the country in the grips of austerity led to more simmering resentment and a need to find a scapegoat. Fears over immigration (again fuelled by the media) turned resentment to anger.

The public wanted something to blame and the faceless bureaucratic EU was a good target. You can’t see the benefits but you can see the negatives. The UK sends money to the EU. That’s got to be a bad thing, right? Doesn’t matter how much the figure actually is or what we get back in return. Unhappy people wanted easy answers.

That’s why Northern Ireland wasn’t talked about. It’s too complicated. That’s why experts weren’t believed. They weren’t dealing in simple terms.

But the EU isn’t simple. Which is why the referendum should never have been put to us as a “Leave” or “Remain” option.

And again, “over half” of the country did not vote Leave.

@Trimummy3 it would depend, if the poorer teams had no kit or a kit that was not fit for purpose while you had one that was maybe just a bit worn out or had given some of yours away to friends or not looked after it properly or something then yes, that is what they should do, how can you play against a team that has no kit? If the poor team is paying their subscription also then they should get the benefits of being in that league.

trimummy Can you understand at least that people are angry that a lot of people like you, who clearly didn't understand the complexities and really huge potential/actual risks of Brexit voted for it anyway? No, not all leavers are thickos but a lot of them are ignorant and wilfully so.

@pinkmummy1

Dont worry your not the only one. I didn't vote. I have no clue what's going on. Everytime its mentioned I jest smile and nod

How can you be so proud of such ignorance? Have you no shame?

Unless this is a deliberately goady post, with intentional poor spelling?

The irony of all this "getting our country back" BS stems from a sense of pride, coming from this once-great nation etc. Etc.

The country most likely to benefit from Brexit is probably Ireland, as the only fully english speaking country in the EU.

The OP isn't an "ignorant leaver". Shes someone that didn't vote at all as didn't understand, or didn't care, or had too much going on in her personal life. Now she's actually asking, everyone is piling on!
Not nice behaviour.
And being honest, no body knows what will happen. However I doubt that other countries will refuse to deal with us and lose a hell of a lot of money!

@BIWI I agree. I was wondering how someone can have so little self respect.

Come on trimummy, get your story straight. You can’t decide whether you were “well-informed” and voted leave or did so not knowing fully what you were voting for, but the politicians will sort it out . The faux-naivety isn’t washing here.

The back stop says you have two years to find a solution. If you do not you need to put a hard border in.

This is exactly what the backstop doesn't say.

The original backstop said that if no agreement was made that would keep the border open, NI would remain in the customs union and single market (without paying for membership). This would effectively put a border for goods in the Irish sea.

Not ideal, and politically difficult for unionists (who are roughly half the NI population, and mostly normal, reasonable human beings, don't judge them by the DUP) who view themselves as British. The DUP vigorously oppose the border in the sea and the Tories rely on their votes at present.

The EU then made a big concession and agreed to the UK's request that the backstop apply to the UK as a whole. Again, this would only apply if no suitable agreement was reached by the end of the transition period. However parliament see this as having to be rule takers and so it won't pass a vote.

Polls show a high level of support for the NI only backstop in NI.

I can't believe the short memory of some people on here re: NI and the bombings that happened in England in the nineties. The flippancy people are treating the possibility of a return to violence with is madness.

And, y'know, the daily terror experienced by the people living in NI, part of the UK. GB only saw the tiniest fraction of what NI did.

The Eu passport thing really bugs me, I think people who were born under GB being in the EU should have the option to retain an EU passport.

From what country though? The UK won't be a part of the EU, so a UK passport won't be an EU passport, obviously enough. What country do you think should be suddenly offering citizenship to millions of UK citizens?

I voted based on what was known at the time. I did my research and came up with what I thought was best...Along with most of the other voters.

Re football league. I would rather we had a decent kit before we started buying kit for others. I would rather exit the league and play with others than keep funding people that won’t buy their own kit. It might take time to set up my own league but I will eventually because people enjoy playing football with us.

The government does know. The dossier on what will happen in the event of no deal is not made up. It is made up of info the critical companies have submitted on white papers. It's purely factual ans not something dreamed up by the government. There is no scaremongering. That dossier is factual. I know this as I work for one of those companies.

As for stop paying them money, that's the most illogical statement, yes we pay them extensively. But the benefit we take out is several times the value of what we put in. Because of the trade deals and the lack of tariffs of products coming from the eu. Literally we pay a penny to take a pound back.

By saying I want to stop paying them money, it is identical to saying I want my penny back you can keep your pound. Then I'm going to try to negotiate with you to see if I can get a deal any where as good as I have now by being part of your club.

No one in their right mind will think we as a stand alone country can negotiate a better deal than we can as us and 27 other countries. We do not have the same purchasing power. Obviously. The eu is also not going to give us trade terms that are comparable to being in the eu.

So we cannot negotiate any deal as good as we currently have. With any country, We simply can't. We do not have the same negotiating power scale as 28 countries when we are on our own. Nor will we get terms with the eu as good as we have as being part of it.

The whole thing is madness.

Don’t worry Bluntness, all those big clever men in Whitehall will sort it out, no need for any of us to worry our pretty little heads. They always have our best interests at heart.

I did my research

No, you didn’t. Or else you would know the answers to the very basic questions you have been asking.

Perhaps I was asking open questions to start a discussion? I already have my opinion based on info available, interested to know others thoughts.

Hahahaha good one

Yeah yeah, sure you were.

Chaos and division, created and fanned artificially to benefit the richest of the world.

@Autumnintheair

Having studied history, European alliances never work and never will.

Do you mean the European alliance when we defeated the Nazis?

Or the European alliance where we have enjoyed the longest period of peace in Western Europe in history which led to the EU being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2012?

If you paid for your history studies, I would ask for a refund.

I think the people to blame are the people that called the referendum in first place knowing there was no way it could work... if indeed that is true.

Stop blaming the people that voted!

Certainly there is ample evidence on this thread that the electorate shouldn't have been allowed near a referendum.

@Bluntness100 Great posts!

This whole thing is so depressing. I'm thankful for people like the OP who stick their neck out and say they don't understand what brexit will mean for them. I think the majority of people in this county are like that which is why we should never have been asked to make the decision. I just wish the people responsible for calling the referendum would just admit they made a mistake and put a stop to the madness.

Trimummy3

Do they give most of that money to the poorer teams for a new kit whilst your own kit is falling to pieces?

Actually, yes. In most professional sports, the majority of money is generated by the participation of the top teams. (TV revenues, advertising and sponsorship etc.)

This is then distributed to all the teams in the league. It provides the top teams with decent opposition to play against and the supporters of the lower teams add to the overall revenue.

The top teams could take all the money but then the smaller teams would go bust and the top teams wouldn't have enough teams to play against. No fixtures, no more revenue.

This is the point. Ireland was financially supported by the EU for years. This enabled their economy to develop to the point that they now pay more into the EU than they receive back. They are also able to buy and sell more goods which makes money for everyone.

In terms of your own kit falling apart, if you don't make enough money you become a net recipient rather than a net contributor so if your kit is falling apart, the other teams chip in to buy you a new one.

The UK spending on the EU is really not that much in the scale of UK spending and it brings massive trade benefits. Norway pays almost the same as the UK per person but has none of the membership benefits we enjoy.

in 2017, the UK paid £8.9 billion to the EU (about £135 per person). Which sounds like a lot. But it means people don't pay import tax on food, clothing, cars or anything else we buy from the EU. When we move to WTO rules, all these taxes will be paid by us when we buy stuff.

For comparison, we pay about £3636 per person on welfare, £670 on Defence and £2196 on the NHS.

Yanbu because nobody really understands brexit :p