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To not understand Brexit?

225 replies

HakunaMatataa · 02/09/2019 18:34

Please don't come for me, I am very out of the loop r.e: Brexit. I have no idea what is happening and what the implications of this could be on our everyday lives.

I keep seeing threads about stock piling ect and now I'm left wondering if I should be preparing?!

So basically I suppose I'd like some views on Brexit, some pro's and cons in layman's terms, so I can try and get my head around it please.

Is this just alot of scare mongering going on or shall I be concerned?

I've obviously googled this but politics isnt my strong point and I just don't get it.

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duffeldaisy · 02/09/2019 20:20

How do other non eu countries get isotopes etc?

They have deals in place, which have taken years to sort out.

TheresWaldo · 02/09/2019 20:21

They have had 3 years and still have no fecking idea! That is the scary thing. Other EU countries have been making proper preparations for this. The UK, not so much.

Jade218 · 02/09/2019 20:23

I don't get posts like this why don't you just google it?

I find it lazy you have to ask mumsnet this question

Jason118 · 02/09/2019 20:26

Googling to find the benefits of Brexit doesn't work. I think there must be some sort of block or filter which allows only the negatives through (or 'facts' as they are often called).

Autumnintheair · 02/09/2019 20:26

Op nearly every single argument you hear, will have the exact same counter argument.

People will loose jobs. Well thousands lost jobs when working restrictions were lifted back in blairs day.

Etc etc.

Personally I think it's hard enough to keep track of our own mps and dodgy governments. I have a life to live and power corrupts..
I don't want an additional layer of far removed shady government that I can't keep track of, above the UK.

Having studied history, European alliances never work and never will.

The last war was so horrific and the one before and that's why we have peace. UK Intel and security and the 5 eyes is leagues away from the likes of Intel from Romania etc.

I loathe how generations have been thrown under the bus for the eu project. Without measures or help for problems that have cropped up eg the 'phenomenon' of people trafficking for slavery or sex.
Drug running and gun trafficking.
Guns without Borders. The guns used in battaclan attacks, were flagged up 8 years prior to the eu! They did nothing.
It's a clunky, inwardly looking failing beamoth.
Everything must be sacrificed for the eu project that was crystal clear to me in the immediate aftermath of the attacks when junker, swaying, mumbled only about not closing borders as the killers swanned back to Brussels.

It's knee deep in myths and lies and I cannot fathom why our country needs to be tethered to this dying whale any longer.
A global deep recession is on the the cards, the German economy is shrinking, Italy is in crisis, problems at deutsch Bank...
I believe we will weather these storms better by being smaller faster ship in storm.. Not shackled to lumbering, waterlogged vessels.

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HakunaMatataa · 02/09/2019 20:27

Although I've had a few crappy comments
this thread has been useful. I have learnt that I wasn't as clueless as I thought and actually have a pretty decent understanding.
There are no definitive answers at this point just speculation and it's scary. I realise the impact it COULD have now if we leave with no deal. Thank you to all those that took the time to reply with useful information for me to read. You've been a great helpFlowers

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Sweetpea55 · 02/09/2019 20:27

Where abouts is this extensive list? Which thread is it on?

Dontgiveamonkeys1350 · 02/09/2019 20:27

Not sure I can cope if we get another extension and this goes on past Xmas to be honest. At some point for my own sanity I will have to just switch of. And save my self hours and hours of anxiety.

Iwantacookie · 02/09/2019 20:30

Op I don't really understand it all.
I couldn't tell you how it all began what's going to happen or what to do.
I'm trying to pick pieces up but there just seems like so much information then as soon as you just about grasp that things change and it's irrelevant.
I try to follow redtoothbrush thread as she seems very on the ball.

duffeldaisy · 02/09/2019 20:33

OP, to answer your question about stockpiling -

If you take regular medication then you should talk to your doctor/pharmacy about the possible situation.

If you can afford it, it's probably worth getting in a small amount of extra food, just like you might if there was a snowstorm coming, make sure you have in enough toilet roll etc. Not stockpiling necessarily (although some people are), but if supplies are limited - hopefully for a short time - or prices rise as much as predicted then you can see yourself & your family through.

Jason118 · 02/09/2019 20:34

It's interesting reading @Autumnintheair post which lists lots of problems the country has experienced and bizarrely blames the EU for them. The major success of the EU has been to prevent war, and yet she/he suggests the opposite. Very odd indeed.

MrsPnut · 02/09/2019 20:36

That is what happens when you ask an opened ended question and you don’t have a plan.

TM didn’t have to trigger article 50 to negotiate the exit agreement, she did it to keep her party together. The Conservatives will always put party before country and screw the workers.

Austerity which is an ideological choice caused the deep divisions that were the precursers to brexit,

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HakunaMatataa · 02/09/2019 20:39

@Sweetpea55 here is the link www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3677728-hell-is-ever-closer-part-2

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Leapyearlover · 02/09/2019 20:44

If there was a GE I would vote conservatives 100percent. Partly because I want this shit situation to go away where we are all arguing.
Yes, because that is definitely going to stop all the arguing. 🙄 This thread is so depressing.

FairyDust92 · 02/09/2019 20:45

Some people are so mean. Of course we all know basics about Brexit but some don't follow politics. I certainly don't as it bores the shit out of me. I've seen some being rude about OP educating herself. So what if she decides to live under a rock about all this mess! I would to because brexit is actually embarrassing now 🙄

ethelfleda · 02/09/2019 20:46

Just wanted to say OP that I doubt you’re the only one in the country that doesn’t understand... but at least you’re trying to. It’s a start. I haven’t RTFT but this has been going on for so long, OP could be a 19/20 year old who was too young to vote in the referendum!
Anyway - I have a good understanding of how Brexit could affect trade as my job is in international trade/supply chain.

Feduppluckingmychinhairs · 02/09/2019 20:48

Four pages into a "what is Brexit" thread and not one single person has mentioned Northern Ireland. Where people have lived without fear for 21 years but now that peace is hanging on by a thread. Where people ARE going to die if a hard border is erected. "We can't let the terrorists win" or "let the Irish shoot each other". Try telling that to a Mammy who's little girl is blasted to pieces on way to school or a Granny caught up in a bomb blast on way to get her pension. It's not the bad bastards who die, it's the innocent.

People will die. And no one has even fucking mentioned it.

Autumnintheair · 02/09/2019 20:48

Re stock piling op, I personally don't feel its bad idea to get a few stocks in.. If you added small items to weekly shop now.. It won't harm anyone.

Autumnintheair · 02/09/2019 20:52

Jason

The guns used in battaclan attack were guns the eu was warned about 8 years before the attack. The eu did nothing to prevent these guns being used.
Open borders facilitated gun running, the da speigal article called it
Guns without borders.

How is that anything to do with UK government?

The eu doesn't give a shit about this generation. It only cares for the ideology.

Wake up!!

pipnchops · 02/09/2019 20:52

Nobody truly knows what brexit means. You read so much conflicting stuff. Even the people running this country don't have a clue. I am absolutely gobsmacked the decision whether to stay in or leave the EU was given to the general public in the first place. We are all now collectively the scapegoats for this decision to leave so if it happens and is the worse thing ever then the government can shrug their shoulders and say they were only doing what the public told them to do. It was a huge decision put into the hands of people who largely didn't have a clue what they were voting for. It's all just competely crazy to me that we have reached this place. In my optimistic head I think it's just going to keep being pushed back and pushed back until its either stopped completely or it goes ahead and is a compete non event for the majority of people. But then what do I know, what do any of us know?

ethelfleda · 02/09/2019 21:01

Fedupplucking
I actually feel embarrassed now for not mentioning it in my post - it’s the number one reason why I am so against Brexit! Especially when considering Anglo-Irish history etc etc

But my reply was mainly to the questions about stockpiling food - hence basing it on international trade rather than the GFA.

Trimummy3 · 02/09/2019 21:04

Yeah hands up I don’t understand the Ireland situation either. I’m hoping that someone in the government will sort that out And know what to do...What do people propose happens in that situation? Is there an answer?

DioneTheDiabolist · 02/09/2019 21:07

There's also potential risk of people losing their jobs.
It's not a potential risk. I've already lost mine.Sad

akerman · 02/09/2019 21:19

I don't think Brexit could ever go ahead and be a non-event sadly.

I don't think the OP is unreasonable. I think I have a pretty good grasp, but have spent hours every day for the last four years reading articles and thinking about it, and there are still vast swathes of ramifications that I don't know about, because essentially we are undoing 40 years of co-operation, trade deals, research collaboration, financial agreements, cancer treatment agreements, everything to go it alone and nobody in the UK has prepared for this. So it will be a catastrophe. And given how complex it is, it was criminally irresponsible for the government to throw it to an uninformed public. And I really, really wish people could get a grip over being uninformed. The vast majority of us are not EU law experts or trained as trade negotiators and it's perfectly reasonable not to know. it hat is why ina representative democracy it's sensible to leave these decisions to MPs who are supposed to know better (pause for hollow laughter, but that is how it's supposed to work.)

user1471453601 · 02/09/2019 21:23

You didn't bother to inform yourself so you could vote from a position of at the very least, some sort of a position of knowledge? And now you ask how it might affect you? I really hope people like you, who were too lazy to try to educate themselves, go to the back of the queue when food and medicine is being handed out.

Do you have chidren? If so, did you not, for a moment, ask yourself what their future might look like?

I have little time for "leavers" . I have less for those who didn't vote at all