To not understand Brexit?

[HakunaMatataa]

Please don't come for me, I am very out of the loop r.e: Brexit. I have no idea what is happening and what the implications of this could be on our everyday lives.

I keep seeing threads about stock piling ect and now I'm left wondering if I should be preparing?!

So basically I suppose I'd like some views on Brexit, some pro's and cons in layman's terms, so I can try and get my head around it please.

Is this just alot of scare mongering going on or shall I be concerned?

I've obviously googled this but politics isnt my strong point and I just don't get it.

Why did you not vote, were you too young at the time?

Boris, is that you?

I think you are all being harsh. It’s not lack of info... it’s too much. You have people being drama queens stockpiling baked beans saying we are all going to die, others saying no deal won’t be so bad. It’s hard to know what to believe!

I can understand people not understanding the full implications of Brexit - that is why we are in the shit now, people not fecking understanding what leaving the EU means.

But I despair that we have gotten to this stage in the destruction of our country and people are still asking what Brexit is all about.

Tbh OP, it really does not matter now. It is too late.

You're a cabinet minister aren't you OP?

Tbf I don’t think anyone understands brexit because it’s completely intractable. I am following closely because, despite following the excellent weatminstenders threads on here, I am still baffled.

I don’t think anyone knows the actual implications of brexit fully. I expect it won’t be as bad as people say. I am not expecting it to be wonderful either. Somewhere in the middle, good for some people some issues, crappier for other issues. I don’t believe a no deal brexit will be terrible!

A little shocked by how rude some posters feel they need to be. I was just asking as everyone forms their own opinions. I dont need to explain my life decisions/circumstances.

Of course I have some understanding it's just the implications that I don't understand. Reading through the comments I can see I'm not alone.

Thanks to all the people that have replied without biting my face off. I appreciate it

As some PPs have mentioned, there are overwhelming amounts of information and it is confusing.

@HakunaMatataa I don’t even have a basic understanding so you’re doing better than me! I’ve well and truly buried my head in the sand, I didn’t vote and I’m not ashamed about it

Exactly, if all the people on this thread that bit your head off and called you stupid got together in a room to discuss the implications, I bet they still all wouldn’t agree. And I guarantee those people would be very wrong! Nobody has really taken time to tell you a proper answer either.

Wherearemycrayons

You’ve nothing to feel ashamed of.

Unlike the many who had no clue but ticked a bloody box anyway for the most bizarre of reasons. Which is why we’re in the hole we’re in.

There’s masses of completely contradictory information. So yes, it’s confusing and no one knows what it going to happen, which is given rise to anxiety and speculation. In practical terms, at least check that you have a good stock of any current medication.

I actually wouldn't worry about it, and I'm a stockpiler. The following is my personal view only.

A Brexit without a formal deal means a break in our legal relationships with the other members of our EU. This may affect how easy it is to do complex administrative tasks like moving food and goods in and out of the country. This country doesn't currently grow enough food for its own population, and that can't be achieved now by the deadline. This is why people are talking about stockpiling food in case of problems with supplying us all.

I personally think that there will be some supply bumps and hiccups in the early days, so that some shops will be short of some foods some of the time. I also think that food prices will rise. That's why I have made a stockpile, because I'm responsible for feeding my son and myself and would prefer to eat the food we like. However, in my case, I normally keep a very low stock of food in the house, so my 'stockpile' might only look like your 'normal cupboards'. I have some other preparations for things like power cuts and so on which I always have in place anyway.

I think that most of our trading relationship will be quite quickly replaced with 'temporary' fixes which allow goods to move, probably on much less favourable terms than we now have, so that prices will stay higher, but that the shelves won't be empty.

I could hardly be angrier about Brexit. I am furious and contemptuous about many people involved in the whole process. But what I expect is a long process of uneven national decline, plus some temporary issues in the early days. I think the most acute need in the early months will be the impact of a shortage of people of working age. Wages will rise eventually but cost of living will also be hugely increased. It's already sensible to be with a loved one if they are in hospital; I think quite soon that will become essential if you want them to do much more than survive.

@Wherearemycrayons no, I am not ashamed either. You can't win though. People would be just as annoyed if you voted for something you didnt fully understand.

@Trimummy3 exactly, if they'd all taken the time to share some of their views I might be a bit less 'stupid'. Seems no one can agree or come to the same conclusion, so clearly I'm not the only one that's confused.

Will someone explain to me how brexit is going to kill people? I keep seeing that idea about... I still don’t get it

I didn’t vote and I’m not ashamed about it

Well you should be.

Further - what MrsKeats wrote further up the thread

Rude? People are going to die because of this idiocy. I don't care if you think I am rude. Stupidity got us here

I'm honestly shocked at the stupid on display here. It really IS what got us into this clusterfuck of a mess.

People would be just as annoyed if you voted for something you didnt fully understand.

Or you could educate yourself? Do some reading? Talk to other people? There's not much worse than stupid and proud of it.

Also can someone explain... let’s say we have a french nurse working here for the last few years... they are not going to send her home are they. I don’t think anyone has actually said that. They will get some form of settled status and life will carry on...

Couldn’t agree more with your final para, TemporaryPermanent. Yes, fudges will be found to overcome the initial, inevitable difficulties. Like you, it’s the slow, sure, steady decline that will happen, possibly over decades, that terrifies me. It will leave our children and grandchildren only dreaming of the kind of lives we lived. Cummings, Johnson (and his bastard, mostly turncoat cabinet - how quickly they shat on their principles in exchange for a job) are robbing generations of bright futures because they’re just too fucking dogmatic to admit they’re making an huge, disastrous mistake. Which they sure as hell know.

I'm guessing, Trimummy, that you're not dependent on a very specific medication which can't easily be changed without significantly affecting your health (e.g. epilepsy medication; people can die if their fits are not controlled) or newly diagnosed with cancer for which you need radiotherapy with imported isotopes, or so far over the breadline that small rises in food prices will affect your ability to feed your family adequate meals. None of these are particularly outrageous scenarios.

Sometime between now and mid Oct Boris Johnson will go back to the EU to negotiate a new deal.
He’ll bring that back to parliament and the MPs will vote on it.
If parliament votes for the deal then we leave on 31 Oct with the deal. If parliament votes against the deal then we leave on 31 Oct with NO deal.
No one truly knows the implications of No deal. The government says they’re ready for it but no one really knows - foods and medicines that we import could be held up at the
border BUT they could just flow through. No one knows.

Just heard on radio there maybe a General Election on Oct 14 depends what happens in parliament tomorrow and Wednesday.

Seems no one can agree or come to the same conclusion, so clearly I'm not the only one that's confused.

If you only want to know what will happen after we leave then of course no one can give you an answer because even those making the decisions do not yet know.

However from your initial post it does sound like you want people to help explain why Brexit might be good or bad. That argument has bubbled on for 3 and 1/2 years so there's plenty of information on the Brexit section of Mumsnet which would be where I would start if I was unsure of what was happening.

This is where it all goes to shit.

People being ignorant and proud of it.

I honestly don't care if someone thinks I'm being rude. I'm not. I'm just stating a fact.

@ThePallidBustOfPallas funny that, when as I'm trying to talk to people they are just rude and opinionated about things, but thanks for your input. You've been a great help.

Thank you @TemporaryPermanent, that makes alot of sense, and @Blueshadow I will stock up

Hang on... how does leaving the eu affect our ability to buy isotopes? Will we be banned from buying it? Don’t the eu countries but anything from us?

I just don’t believe it... I mean in the uk we buy tonnes of stuff... cars, even bloody electricity from France! Why would they stop selling to us? It’s a crazy idea.