To wonder what is more terrifying to the public of Mumsnet, Corbyn or Brexit Fallout?

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So either way we look we seem to have poor prospects.

Potential fears from either side...
Brexit = potential food shortages, medicine shortages, increase of house burglaries, riots, looting, at least half the jobs gone, pound becoming worthless, NHS collapse, economy going down etc.

Corbyn = land value tax, communist, everyone losing their property, house prices crashing, economy going down, etc

I'm not saying I believe either of these things exactly, although I think we will be facing an economy worse than the fall of 2008 after Brexit. I'm more curious as to what people here think.

So to the haters who will say "Another Brexit thread blah blah blah". No one made you click! Stop trying to silence the critics.

Anyways for voting purposes, what is more worrisome to you?

YANBU = the fallout from a BJ led No Deal Brexit
YABU = Jeremy Corbyn in charge

YANBU either way. I don't believe Brexit will be the catastrophic scenario stated and I don't believe there is a chance in hell of Jeremy Corbyn ever being Prime Minister.

However lacking our education system may be, I don't believe the majority of the country would vote for a party led by Jeremy Corbyn.

So those of us who would prefer a government with decent social policies are uneducated, are we? I’m not keen on Corbyn but I’d rather have him than Johnson all day long.

Show me proof that there will be food shortages etc.. Otherwise it is just project fear. No doubt it's not going to be a walk in the park but look at the all benefits: Self rule/governing, ability to make own laws, control of borders etc.. I have faith in my country and it's people. Its high time all the dummy spitting remamainer's accepted they lost and get behind the country instead of fighting it and causing chaos and disruption. I want our freedom back, the freedom that a great many fought and died for in the great wars.

“What are your reasons for not wanting him as a leader?”
I think he is not charismatic enough- and the population at large want a charismatic leader. I think there is so much bad publicity out there about him that he would be firefighting all the time - it would be too easy for his opponents to find stuff to distract attention from the real issues. I don’t think he has the support of his party, and I don t think he would have any control over his backbenchers. And I think he has screwed up badly over Brexit. I generally agree with current Labour Party policies- I just don’t think he is the person to deliver them.

“Self rule/governing, ability to make own laws, control of borders etc.. “
What- those things we had while we were members of the EU?

@user1479814544 good wind up!

In what way are your rights and freedoms infringed, user?

Freedom to prorogue Parliament? I’m pretty sure my dad didn’t fight for that.

Bertrand I completely agree with everything you said. Painting people who oppose Corbyn as 'red Tories' is the Left eating itself. They need to stop hurtling abuse at people on the same side (and Lib Dems) and be a decent opposition.

Those are good reasons, bertrand and many other posters who dislike Corbyn have said the same. So surely they aren’t as unthinking as you assume them to be.

I don't think Corbyn would be a great leader and I fear he would not make the best use of any increased taxes he were to raise, but then he could be voted out.

But no-deal Brexit is much worse and cause much more long-term damage - loss of essential workers in health, care and construction; volatile social division; deaths resulting from loss of health and care workers; increasing knee-jerk government responses to try to fix things ('We'll be more productive if we take away more workers' rights!') - and we can't vote out of those effects.

I think he is not charismatic enough

Jesus, if that is the main criteria of a leader then we really are fucked.
My priorities would be

1. Not a liar
2. Not in the process of leading our country to the biggest economic upheaval since WW2 with no mandate to do so
3. Pretty much everything else is covered by point 1.

I also find it amazing how the perceived danger to the country from Corbyn which is based on conjecture as he has never been in charge of the country is seen as so much worse than the actual danger from the actual government who are actually in the process of creating the biggest fuckup in living history and threatening to suspend democracy in order to do it.

I don't love Corbyn. I didn't love Miliband and I certainly didn't love Blair but I understood that they were far better than the alternative.

Be honest now. If Boris ate a baby on live TV, you would all still vote for him over Corbyn and his undefined, vague malevolence.

“the freedom that a great many fought and died for in the great wars.”
Interesting that those who returned from the war voted overwhelmingly for a Labour government.....

No, I’d vote for Boris over Corbyn because Corbyn’s a stupid communist.

“I think he is not charismatic enough

Jesus, if that is the main criteria of a leader then we really are fucked.”

It’s certainly not my main criterion. But, from a purely pragmatic point of view, it’s one of the things the GBP want in a leader. And we want someone who can win.

No, I’d vote for Boris over Corbyn because Corbyn’s a stupid communist.

He's a Socialist, not a Communist. It's not the same thing.

He’s not a Communist. By any criteria.

And he’s not stupid.

User, you want proof that there’ll be civil unrest and food shortages. Here you go: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/operation-chaos-whitehalls-secret-no-deal-brexit-plan-leaked-j6ntwvhll

Show me proof that there will be food shortages etc.. Otherwise it is just project fear. No doubt it's not going to be a walk in the park but look at the all benefits: Self rule/governing, ability to make own laws, control of borders etc.. I have faith in my country and it's people. Its high time all the dummy spitting remamainer's accepted they lost and get behind the country instead of fighting it and causing chaos and disruption. I want our freedom back, the freedom that a great many fought and died for in the great wars.

you know that we are self governing already and have the ability to make our own laws already?
This is what pisses me off-people spout this shit without knowing the facts!

@user1479814544 what freedoms haven’t we got that we will have on November 1st?

I would also point out that I currently live in a Western Socialist democracy and based on the demographic of Mumsnet, most people would be better off under a socialist democracy.

I pay less tax than I did in the UK because I am a low earner (DH pays more than he did) but we have the following benefits:

paid maternity leave for up to 3 years
access to state-run, subsidised childcare,
free university education,
paid parental leave for when your child is sick,
trains which run on time,
state controlled rent to ensure that people renting privately are not exploited by their landlords and reducing the need for council housing
Free healthcare including dental and opticians.
I get subsidised transport because I am a low earner

I don't understand how people are so scared of Socialism when Capitalism has proven time and again to leave the majority of people with less.

The bullshit on this thread about Corbyn just demonstrates why the UK is in this utter fucking shitshow we're in now. My mother in law is a raging brexiteer who's motivation comes from believing all the total rubbish spread by the media about the EU a load of unelected bureaucrats yada yada yada. She also thinks JC is a communist, and was furious when he wore a rain coat to the Cenotaph last year. She's all overFB at the moment though demanding we let BoJo shit on our democracy and prorogue parliament. I fucking despair.

@user1479814544 can you show me evidence (actual real evidence) that we don't have those things already?
Project Fear was not started by remainers.

Reposting the same nonsense doesn’t make it any truer. user.

What freedoms?