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To wonder what is more terrifying to the public of Mumsnet, Corbyn or Brexit Fallout?

520 replies

BlueDaBabaDee · 01/09/2019 18:15

So either way we look we seem to have poor prospects.

Potential fears from either side...
Brexit = potential food shortages, medicine shortages, increase of house burglaries, riots, looting, at least half the jobs gone, pound becoming worthless, NHS collapse, economy going down etc.

Corbyn = land value tax, communist, everyone losing their property, house prices crashing, economy going down, etc

I'm not saying I believe either of these things exactly, although I think we will be facing an economy worse than the fall of 2008 after Brexit. I'm more curious as to what people here think.

So to the haters who will say "Another Brexit thread blah blah blah". No one made you click! Stop trying to silence the critics.

Anyways for voting purposes, what is more worrisome to you?

YANBU = the fallout from a BJ led No Deal Brexit
YABU = Jeremy Corbyn in charge

OP posts:
bellinisurge · 02/09/2019 11:13

Brexit. And I fucking hate Corbyn.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 02/09/2019 11:16

westcountrylovely your MIL and Corbyn have something hing in common they both oppose the EU and what it stands for

Just from different view points

MaximusHeadroom · 02/09/2019 11:19

Its high time all the dummy spitting remamainer's accepted they lost and get behind the country instead of fighting it and causing chaos and disruption. I want our freedom back, the freedom that a great many fought and died for in the great wars.

How fucking dare you take the deaths of millions of people and staple them to your batshit ideology.

How dare you claim that people who died in the wars would approve of a move which is the most destabilizing in Western Europe since WW2 when it is the formation of free trade and movement and the resulting prosperity in Europe which has led to the longest period of peace in history.

Millions of French soldiers and civilians died in the Second World War, fighting alongside us. The same French you now want to stick it to. Want to know how we won WW2? By working with allies. By cooperating with other nations to defeat a movement which was brimming with hatred and xenophobia.

And they are not the "Great Wars". The First World War was called the Great War. WW2 was never called Great. Your use of language to glorify the deaths of millions across a whole continent is disgusting.

Graphista · 02/09/2019 11:29

Jesamine that's utterly pathetic trying to discredit Corbyn based on the bloody hats he wears!! Have you seen the crap Johnson wears at times?!

Clothes are NOT the issue there are FAR MORE IMPORTANT issues at stake here than someone's style choices ffs!

Your posts just actually go to show you DO NOT have ONE single valid argument as to why Corbyn is worse than Johnson.

"PS - the economy has plummeted under the Tories since 2010. The Tories lost the UK our triple A rating for the first time in our history." Exactly! The myth that tories are "better for the economy" has been roundly debunked. I never believed it, because even when I personally was doing well under Tory govts I was aware of how things were for the poorest in our society - that's a major measure of how well a country is doing economically. Also noticing the tories selling parts of the U.K. Off! Why is that necessary if they're running the economy well?

One thing I particularly noticed was Thatcher bought votes from the military by throwing money at them in pay rises etc BUT those harmed in the Falklands war were not well supported when they returned home and within just a few years the redundancies started! Something that absolutely wasn't a norm for military personnel with it having been until then pretty much a job for life! The claim was not as many personnel needed for "peace time" but it seemed obvious to me and those in the military that it was a cost cutting exercise, particularly as it was apparently targeted at the higher ranking soldiers of the "ordinary" soldiers class who were I'm sure considered "too expensive" not being officers but having been in long enough that pay rises and promotions meant they were on good pay.

Just one example of Tory economic mismanagement.

Don't even get me started on the selling off of our industry and manufacturing bases.

Do none of you criticising Corbyn even wonder WHY the tories and right wing media are so determined to put you off him? Do you not wonder what they're REALLY afraid of?

Because they KNOW if half of what they're saying about him were true and he did get a chance as PM in all likelihood he wouldn't win a 2nd election because the electorate would suffer under his lead. Has it even occurred to you that actually what they're afraid of is he WOULD be a good leader and benefit the country and that would keep the tories out of power?

If he's SO unelectable why do they even feel the need to go after him? Are they so unsure of their own policies and leadership benefiting the country that instead of running positive stories of how well they're running the country 😂😂😂😂 they're attacking him?

"Esp more money for police and CPS" you REALLY believe Johnson will follow through with this? He lies 6 times before he's out of bed of a day! The man can't be trusted to tell his own name honestly!!

"The reason Blair was popular was because he was centre left" he really wasn't! He was a Tory in a thinly veiled disguise!

"If we get Corbyn we're stuck with him for the next five years. If Brexit doesn't work out, we can apply to rejoin forthwith." Utterly delusional thinking! - if not sarcasm? Even IF we applied to rejoin we'll have royally pissed off the eu so they're unlikely to let us and even IF they did we have ZERO leverage and would have to agree to a shit ton of conditions quite possibly including having to have the euro!

MaximusHeadroom excellent post. My grandparents fought in WWII and we're all working class, staunch socialists and Labour supporters. As pp said the Labour Party and the welfare state were overwhelmingly wanted after the war.

In addition people are repeatedly glorifying and misrepresenting how things were during WWII in relation to brexit and giving it "we managed" NO not everyone did! Quite aside from the many killed (who then of course didn't need housed or fed!) there was extreme poverty, malnutrition, homelessness as a result of the war. There was the black market, looting (including of bodies), pillaging, farms raided... It was NOT the rosy time of "everyone pulling together" it is portrayed as!

FishCanFly · 02/09/2019 11:35

I want our freedom back,
What freedom are you lacking now?

user1479814544 · 02/09/2019 11:42

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Alsohuman · 02/09/2019 11:47

Yes, we all despise democracy and freedom, that’s why we’re furious at Johnson closing down Parliament. Do you actually know what democracy is, User?

bellinisurge · 02/09/2019 11:48

You are a very odd creature @user1479814544 .
I'm not against Brexit. It wasn't my choice but an orderly Brexit would be tolerable. I'm fundamentally against a No Deal Brexit.
You are being conned if you think that No Deal is be only version of Brexit.

user1479814544 · 02/09/2019 11:52

So many small minded lefties on here. Simple question, if you love the EU so much why don't you move over there to be in it? We will be leaving so suck it up.

Alsohuman · 02/09/2019 11:54

Very compelling argument, User. Bet that’s made a lot of people change their minds.

BertrandRussell · 02/09/2019 11:55

I’m going to assume that User is actually a Remainer shill, put here to discredit Brexiters..

Longtalljosie · 02/09/2019 11:58

why don't you move over there to be in it?

Errr - we can’t up and live there just like that now. Any thoughts as to why? 🙄

user1479814544 · 02/09/2019 11:59

'Yes, we all despise democracy and freedom, that’s why we’re furious at Johnson closing down Parliament. Do you actually know what democracy is, User?' - yet it's ok for remainers to delay, try to stop Brexit etc from happening. I think 17.4 million people might say different. A minority trying to stop what most of us wanted.

CendrillonSings · 02/09/2019 12:02

And he’s not stupid.

Quite apart from the evidence of his loony policies, bizarre beliefs, and general ineptitude, I think his two Es at A-level are a decent objective criterion for stupidity...

Alsohuman · 02/09/2019 12:02

No, User, get your facts right. 37% of people entitled to vote in 2016. Since then thousands of people have reached voting age, don’t they count. A fair proportion of those 17.4 million are no longer with us, so they definitely don’t count. Anyway, you’re a lost cause.

oldwhyno · 02/09/2019 12:09

Brexit is a high risk strategy, the current approach especially so. But going Corbyn would be bad bad bad.

InvisibleWomenMustBeRead · 02/09/2019 12:09

Corbyn & his cronies every time - they frighten the life out of me & will see to the end of women's rights altogether.

user1479814544 · 02/09/2019 12:10

'How dare you claim that people who died in the wars would approve of a move which is the most destabilizing in Western Europe since WW2 when it is the formation of free trade and movement and the resulting prosperity in Europe which has led to the longest period of peace in history.' - so NATO had nothing to do with this?

The fact if the matter is the EU is monster that no one (the people) wanted or was asked to be part of. We were conned into it believing it was just a trade partnership of countries (EEC). What it has become is perverse. Undemocratic and elitist. It is blind fools like you that are sleep walking into a very dangerous thing by wanting to be sill a part if it.

user1479814544 · 02/09/2019 12:12

'No, User, get your facts right. 37% of people entitled to vote in 2016. Since then thousands of people have reached voting age, don’t they count. A fair proportion of those 17.4 million are no longer with us, so they definitely don’t count. Anyway, you’re a lost cause.' - no your the lost cause with your inability to accept the truth and fact.

FishCanFly · 02/09/2019 12:20

I'm becoming a Corbyn fan. I just love how he pisses people off with his hats and coats. Grin

user1479814544 · 02/09/2019 12:20

No matter how you want to spin it if you remain in the EU you will be ruled by Brussels and their German masters. I don't want that. I guess you will be happy to see your kids called up to do their service in an EU defense force/army? Oh sorry I forgot that is lie also. Blind fools open your eyes and minds.

BertrandRussell · 02/09/2019 12:21

“Quite apart from the evidence of his loony policies, bizarre beliefs, and general ineptitude, ”
I don’t think being a socialist means that you’re stupid! And what bizarre beliefs does he hold?

user1479814544 · 02/09/2019 12:23

'You are a very odd creature @user1479814544 .
I'm not against Brexit. It wasn't my choice but an orderly Brexit would be tolerable. I'm fundamentally against a No Deal Brexit.
You are being conned if you think that No Deal is be only version of Brexit.' - did I say I wanted an no deal exclusively? No. A deal but one that is equitable and does not have us tied to EU masters in any way. If not then no deal. It is obvious that none of you understand negotiating by wanting to take threat of no deal off the table?

user1479814544 · 02/09/2019 12:26

'why don't you move over there to be in it?

Errr - we can’t up and live there just like that now. Any thoughts as to why? 🙄' - yes you can. You just want your cake and eat it.

CendrillonSings · 02/09/2019 12:27

And what bizarre beliefs does he hold?

The idea that's it's OK to extort private property ranks pretty high, amongst many others.

I notice you have glided effortlessly over the objective evidence of his dreadful A-levels. But I'm sure those two Es conceal some hidden genius, or something.