To wonder what is more terrifying to the public of Mumsnet, Corbyn or Brexit Fallout?

[BlueDaBabaDee]

So either way we look we seem to have poor prospects.

Potential fears from either side...
Brexit = potential food shortages, medicine shortages, increase of house burglaries, riots, looting, at least half the jobs gone, pound becoming worthless, NHS collapse, economy going down etc.

Corbyn = land value tax, communist, everyone losing their property, house prices crashing, economy going down, etc

I'm not saying I believe either of these things exactly, although I think we will be facing an economy worse than the fall of 2008 after Brexit. I'm more curious as to what people here think.

So to the haters who will say "Another Brexit thread blah blah blah". No one made you click! Stop trying to silence the critics.

Anyways for voting purposes, what is more worrisome to you?

YANBU = the fallout from a BJ led No Deal Brexit
YABU = Jeremy Corbyn in charge

Quick reminder that Corbyn's "socialist" policies are considered basic common sense on the continent. He has also backed down from demanding that he be made caretaker PM - a sign of someone prepared to compromise and put the country's welfare above his own. Johnson by contrast has wrecked his own party to become PM.

The main problem I have with him is that he is unlikely to be voted in. Labour need a moderate leader who the party are not afraid to put forward for interviews with the press for a start. If they have to keep putting John McDonnell up or Rebecca Long Bailey to explain their policies, then they need a new leader. He is the Tories' best weapon. What's the point of committing to a second referendum now? It relies on BJ asking for another extension. How do you think that will go down with the 60% of Labour constituencies that voted leave? If we have another referendum after we've left, we're asking people if they want to go into the Euro as well as having lost all our concessions. It's too little too late.

"he is unlikely to be voted in" - and why is that? Because he is unlikely to be voted in, because unlikely to be voted in.

The British people need to choose. Do they want a state based on discussion, rationality and compromise, or one led by the media and propaganda? Actually I don't know why I'm asking, they've already chosen. I would leave this country if I could.

Corbyn

But it won’t happen is there is a snap election Boris Johnson will win a comfortable majority

And we are leaving that is not changing it was never ever going to change it’s all hot air from politicians they really waited three years to create an independent party opposing Brexit 🙄

It shall be a very difficult few years for some more than others and will also impact the EU. The NHS is broken and has been for sometime but no government will allow it to sink completely.

Can someone explain to me why they find the prospect of a Corbyn government so terrifying?

Why do you think Johnson would win? The Brexit Party would split the leave vote. That’s why Johnson keeps blathering on about letting Corbyn in.

They're unlikely to be voted in because their policy on Brexit has been muddled and confused for 3 years. Because after years of sniping at the last Labour government and still being tolerated there is no place for Centre left politics in the LP. Because. Momentum is in charge and the trashing anyone who disagrees with the leadership does gets a torrent of personal abuse, especially women. I don't care that the Tory Party are copying them now. I don't vote for them. They are threatening deselection and have their own hard right takeover because they've seen how successful the hard left have been in taking over the Labour Party. If they really think the mainstream media are against them, they need to galvanise support through social media, and not just to other Corbynites. To the electorate as a whole. Msm doesn't have the power it once did. That excuse is defunct.

Thing is with Corbyn you get both him and Brexit. He wants Brexit. And will combine it with his appalling policies and a licence to every screwed up little anti Semite in the country to run amok.
With Boris you just get Brexit. I don’t like that but I’m not hating the rest of what he’s doing. Esp more money for police and CPS. Desperately needed, if we want criminals to be pursued and punished, which I very much do

Leave voters in the North of England who would never vote Tory would vote Brexit Party. Pretending Labour voters are all remainers is not going to help. The best chance Labour have of winning is to draw a line under the mess they've made of their Brexit policy and fight an election on their policies after we've left. They would have to campaign on the basis of how they will negotiate with the EU afterwards though, so if they make a hash of that too, it's curtains for them.

Can’t understand the fear that people have been whipped up into regarding Corbyn.
Brexit is a rational fear backed up by experts.
This fear of a nice liberal man who genuinely wants what are considered in most of Europe as fairly middle of the road policies is insane!

Corbyn doesn't care what happens to the ordinary citizen because he's never been in a low-paid job, living in a council house, trying to survive to make ends meet.

Why do people think Corbyn is some great ‘man of the people’?

He tries to present himself as an ally to the working classes all the while telling them what’s in their best interests and not actually listening to what people have to say. Like most champagne/middle class socialists.

I grew up in a working class community, and my teenage years were spent piss-poor as my parents lived on benefits after one was made redundant and one developed a disability so I know exactly what it’s like to be poor in this country. I’m also a floating voter and I won’t be voting Labour whilst Corbyn is in charge. The reason Blair was popular was because he was centre left, if Labour want to get back in to power they need to accept this and drop momentum’s influence.

I'm a member of the Labour Party and I am extremely worried at the prospect of Corbyn becoming PM but I don't think he could ever win a General Election. He is a complete fucking idiot and I loathe him. However I loathe conservatives and people who think the UK will be better off/ regain control by leaving the EU. So I'm totally stuck. Even 5 years ago I would never have predicted this sorry state of affairs. Breaks my heart

Hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Definitely think people are over-dramatising Brexit.

Corbyn has had every chance to oppose this government, to create an opposition to Brexit or to this governments leave plans he has utterly failed at every single given opportunity, he does not have the capacity or intelligence to handle international negotiations (you only need to see how he acts like a petulant teenager when questioned by political journalists), he is lazy, his campaigning during the referendum was dismal at best, he has been an appalling opposition leader

And then of course we have his history and who he aligns himself with, how he has ignored anti semitism with his party

And as for comparing us to Norway they have a population of 5 million and have a large natural reserves (huge part of their economy) that will always allow the country to be comfortably off - we have a long way to go to rebuild our industries so it’s not so reliant on the financial industry and service industries that doesn’t come from taxing the wealthy

I have no idea who I would vote for if we had a snap GE it would by for Labour or the Tories

Brexit. We get so much in terms of protection for workers, the environment, consumers from the EU, under a Tory Brexit all that will go.

Corbyn is painted as an extremist, but most of what he stands for was mainstream in the Labour party of the 70s. The whole political spectrum in the UK has moved massively to the right in my lifetime (I'm 64).

I've met Corbyn on many occasions, sat on committees with him etc. I don't recognise the misogynist anti-semite referred to by a pp.

I can't disagree with a lot of what noodlenose has posted, although I think some of it is whipped up. It's difficult to establish how much. I would not object to a Labour party keeping to its roots, keeping the European-style socialist policies, but with someone who's got a better grip on communications in place. Can we have that though? They didn't exist on the political scene before Corbyn. That to me is the big indictment of Britain's political system, and most of his problem.

Corbyn will not last forever, of course he won't. He is mortal - and getting on in years.

ArabellaDoreenFig

Absolutely agree with you!

He spent 30 years on the back benches doing fuck all - a career politician who opposed the party he stood for more than supported them but knowing he was in a safe seat stood for them time and time again

Now Corbyn and momentum and McDonnell have power over the party and its where they want it to be (to the left) they don’t give a fuck if they are not in power - as long as Labour are to the left more how does that help the working classes those they pretend to care so much about

“Corbyn doesn't care what happens to the ordinary citizen because he's never been in a low-paid job, living in a council house, trying to survive to make ends meet.”
As opposed to who?

Ok I'll bite, Corbyn from an inheritance tax perspective means I would stand to lose a lot, and even if he were only in charge for a short time, well that could be the short time that I'd stand to lose it in.

I know it's horribly selfish and it could all go in care home fees and tbh I'd be a lot happier with that, but my pension planning has been shot by changes to our company pension and the retirement age, so I'm hoping for a windfall to boost that.

I'm sure i'll get blasted for even daring to post this, but ultimately most of us vote from a position of self interest.

BertrandRussell It’s irrelevant that others may have also had a similar upbringing to himself it’s that because of his political ideology labour will stay in opposition

If he cared that much he would put that aside and do what’s best to get Labour in power but he won’t

And has done fuck all in regards to Brexit as we all know he is anti EU

Fair enough. @rookiemere, that’s honest of you, and I can see why you would feel like that. Anything else?

With Boris you just get Brexit

Really? You honestly believe that we're getting "just" Brexit, whatever that means, and that a hard Brexit isnt' the opening salvo into a huge stripping back of the state? There is a hard-right, very scary contingent currently in power. In fact someone completely unelected, Cummings, is running the show. We're in for some very fucking scary times indeed.

And I find it hilarious that everyone is so up in arms about Corbyn's anti-Semitism given what Johnson himself has said, he's made some blatantly racist statements but somehow that's okay because the Tories appear to be held to no standards whatsofuckingever.

As I said earlier- I am not a Corbyn fan, to put it mildly. But I am baffled by the animosity towards him.

Any thoughts on this?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7417191/John-McDonnell-declare-war-buy-let-landlords-giving-tenants-chance-buy-property.html

(Sorry to link to dailymail, but they paint the story most harshly so you can see a lot of comments of people calling them communist)

If you don't want to click and read the comments, here's another source

www.itv.com/news/2019-09-02/labour-could-give-private-tenants-chance-to-buy-their-rented-homes/

Basically it's about crashing the housing market by allowing renters to buy property at a discount and changing inheritance law to a child gift law, from what I understand.

Yes. Corbyn is “anti Semitic” in a “being opposed to the state of Israel” kind of way, which is a legitimate point of view, however much you may disagree with it. Johnson is just a racist.