To wonder what is more terrifying to the public of Mumsnet, Corbyn or Brexit Fallout?

[BlueDaBabaDee]

So either way we look we seem to have poor prospects.

Potential fears from either side...
Brexit = potential food shortages, medicine shortages, increase of house burglaries, riots, looting, at least half the jobs gone, pound becoming worthless, NHS collapse, economy going down etc.

Corbyn = land value tax, communist, everyone losing their property, house prices crashing, economy going down, etc

I'm not saying I believe either of these things exactly, although I think we will be facing an economy worse than the fall of 2008 after Brexit. I'm more curious as to what people here think.

So to the haters who will say "Another Brexit thread blah blah blah". No one made you click! Stop trying to silence the critics.

Anyways for voting purposes, what is more worrisome to you?

YANBU = the fallout from a BJ led No Deal Brexit
YABU = Jeremy Corbyn in charge

Why banned for threatening to punch someone? What's he/she going to do morph from the keyboard, in good old Barbapapa style?
I loved them, they were great

As Britains demographics have changed over the last 50 years there isn’t the majority appetite for a more socialist leaning Labour Party, and if Labour want to continue to be relevant they need to listen to what people want- and the majority want a more centre party.

I disagree. I think that there is a massive appetite for greater financial equality in Britain. Just not with the same voters as 20 years ago.

As the Labour voters have got older and many are part of the wealthiest generation we have ever had entering retirement, they move away from Socialism as they would be giving up some of their wealth. The younger generations and Millenials in particular however are increasingly demanding social change as they see the opportunities their parents and grandparents had being denied to them.

It is hard to retain your left wing principles when you become one of the haves and cease being one of the have nots.

Am i about to be a mistaken for a Corbyn supporter cos i dont think exams or lack thereof always reflects intelligence

As with Brexit if you're not for them then you're against them, this has been an amusing thread its nice seeing the collection of nonsense spouted by the same few about the same things

Corbyn could indeed be temporary, but so was gordon Brown and he completely screwed up the final salary pension schemes which were among the best in Europe. did anyone restore the tax credit scheme for dividends paid to pension schemes? Not a cat in hell's chance.

It is hard to retain your left wing principles when you become one of the haves and cease being one of the have nots

This was my point! (I might have to look at how well I articulate!)

But in terms of the demographics of younger voters we disagree.

I think on the whole there is a split between the younger working class and middle class voters: middle class socialists (and yes they are also bracketed as champagne socialists) generally vote Labour because they see socialism as a good thing, a fair thing which will ‘level the playing field’.
Working Class people these days generally, won’t vote for a more socialist Labour because they see that the level playing field doesn’t benefit them because they are knackered by the time they get to it anyway! Thats a rubbish analogy, ok I will try and use a proper example -
Free Uni for everyone-

• it still pushes WC people to the bottom again, if everyone goes to Uni for free then it will be packed will upper/middle classes who can afford not to work so can put more time into studies and get a better degree, they can access vocational courses or medicine/law courses easier because of the extra costs (books) and extra time needed. Accommodation prices will go up because mum and dad can spend what they are saving on fees on luxury accommodation. And local business’ can edge their prices up too.

To truly level the playing field then Working Class students should get their fees and rent covered for free, would that be a vote winner for the middle classes still? (I don’t know! It would be for me but I know the value of uni to working class lives)

It’s the same as the Brexit debate- working class people up and down the country saw middle class people telling everyone how wonderful the EU is and how much they benefit from it, without thinking about how little relevance those benefits may have on the day to day lives of the working class.

Labour under Corbyn isn’t listening to it’s core voters and that’s why the Leave vote won, and why Labour didn’t win the last GE.

I would welcome a Corbyn government. The alternative is the end of our NHS as we know it and that is terrifying.

It’s like the Erasmus scheme that everyone laments could be valuable for any young person, not the case for a poor kid who may be needed at home to babysit, or contribute earnings to the family pot, or look after a disabled parent or sibling, or what about the cost -
Emergency money to get home, money to travel, money for clothing, money for suitcases etc.

For the majority of working class young adults Erasmus isn’t on their radar at all and the middle classes who benefit most from the scheme to tell the WC that they are fools to give up the opportunity need to release that for most that opportunity is never in reach.

*Sorry for the derail everyone, I’m on a roll now!!

Erasmus provided amazing opportunities at my ds’s 37% PP school...

Arabella, I agree completely 're university issue, it's always been a policy for the middle classes. In addition to the points raised above, those who will never go to university, pay for my middle class son to go.
If I remember correctly the lib dems policies with regard to benefits and welfare spending in the last election were shown to be much more progressive than Labour's. And I am no fan of the lib dems

Actually Pupil premium if it had been implemented properly might have made a bloody difference to those children.

I feel completely politically homeless at the moment, but if Corbyn promised to revoke Article 50 on day 1 in charge I would happily throw palm fronds in front of the donkey carrying him along Whitehall to Number 10. [You may be getting your JCs mixed up - Ed] Brexit will be an absolute shitstorm; when even Rees Mogg admits the adverse economic impacts will be felt for 50 years you can be confident this is not just Project Fear. I too have family members reliant on EU-produced medication to keep them alive whose lives will be at risk if there is no deal-related supply chain chaos, and this morning at work there were the first formal rumblings about possible Brexit-related redundancies. Thanks Cameron, you hubristic wanker.

“Actually Pupil premium if it had been implemented properly might have made a bloody difference to those children.“
Was that to me?

Utterly ace post OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg (and NN for that matter) I agree with every word!

"Corbyn = land value tax, communist, everyone losing their property, house prices crashing, economy going down, etc"

FFS OP. Have a good look round, will you.

So no one sees anything frightening about Corbyn’s Chancellor standing beneath a banner portraying two of the greatest mass murderes as heros?

BertrandRussell

Are you London based ?

I work in a number of schools in the midlands, and the school whose main demographic is middle class (and v low PP) always had Erasmus take up, the 2 schools whose main demographics are working class (and both v high PP) never had Erasmus take up (at least in the past 8 years).

To be fair we could share anecdata which demonstrates our viewpoint all day i imagine!

And birdsdestiny

Absolutely! I’m a pupil premium governor at 1 of the schools I work at and it’s yet another thing that could be fantastic and genuinely make differences to children if managed properly.

No, not London based. I only know about ds’s school - massively disadvantaged catchment, very high PP. very high low and middle attainers- and Erasmus was brilliant. But as you say, anecdote is not data.

I’m fairly positive my dcs school would be considered middle class...i think its about 50% pp

And I’d never heard of this erasmus thing til mumsnet

You must have a very unusual catchment, Rufus! Yes, it’s sad that so many missed out. Maybe it wasn’t publicised enough?

I think probably publicity was lacking

The ebac uptake was incredibly poor as well

Ebac?

I love it when people describe Corbyn as a ‘dangerous man’. He rides a bicycle everywhere and makes jam for fun- he isn’t what I would personally describe as ‘dangerous’.

No Bertrand not at you, its my frustration at the crappy implementation of pp, you mentioned it and it reminded me.
Erasmus isn't something I have a problem with. It also worked well in my school for pp children.
I think the implementation of pupil premium should not have been left to individual schools, it was such a great idea, but nobody looked at the best ways to implement it and left schools to flounder on their own. So frustrating.

Brexit is permanent. Corbyn can be kicked out.

If Corbyn was in power I would hate it....it bothers me ALOT