To wonder what is more terrifying to the public of Mumsnet, Corbyn or Brexit Fallout?

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So either way we look we seem to have poor prospects.

Potential fears from either side...
Brexit = potential food shortages, medicine shortages, increase of house burglaries, riots, looting, at least half the jobs gone, pound becoming worthless, NHS collapse, economy going down etc.

Corbyn = land value tax, communist, everyone losing their property, house prices crashing, economy going down, etc

I'm not saying I believe either of these things exactly, although I think we will be facing an economy worse than the fall of 2008 after Brexit. I'm more curious as to what people here think.

So to the haters who will say "Another Brexit thread blah blah blah". No one made you click! Stop trying to silence the critics.

Anyways for voting purposes, what is more worrisome to you?

YANBU = the fallout from a BJ led No Deal Brexit
YABU = Jeremy Corbyn in charge

Christ I do despair.

Judging a man on his hats and coats indeed! It’s not a bloody fashion competition. Likewise judging on grades. I didn’t do fantastically well in my A-levels, I’m already got a 2:1 honours degree and I’m currently pulling a 1st at university, shortly due to undertake my masters. God forbid I’d be judged on my a-levels my whole life! How about the Eton lot who didn’t get the grades and buy their way through life?!

Those of you that are that bothered about a higher tax being imposed on corporations - do you not think that’s fair? Amazon, Google et al already don’t pay their way, they should be made to! The truth is it’s more worthwhile for them to pay that higher tax then pull out of the country altogether.

Ugh..it was meant to be I’ve not I’m...no doubt I’ll be criticised on that

@user1479814544, you do know we had democratic EU elections in May, don’t you?

“Well then, why exactly did the Shadow Chancellor - handpicked by Corbyn and his closest political ally - discuss those plans in an interview recently? Your disingenuous rubbish just won't fly.”
Only worth discussing if it turns up in the manifesto. It wasn't In the last one. Odd that you chose something that was a discussion point not a manifesto commitment. Politicians often put ideas up to see how the public take to them.

I absolutely would not judge someone by their A level results, as trying to explain my E in German whilst having a German father does prove difficult. However I do want an intelligent leader of the opposition and I see no evidence that Corbyn is. He appears to lack critical thinking abilities and the ability to understand that not all problems can be solved by the solutions he learnt in his teens.
That said I would prefer him to a no deal Brexit. It is however a little like saying you would prefer the person who stood by and watched your house go up in flames rather than the one who lit the match. The result of the referendum would have been remain if there has been a different opposition leader.

@user1479814544 this link sums it up pretty well.

Now can you give me your reasons for your view? As I asked earlier?

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/13/is-the-eu-undemocratic-referendum-reality-check

Only worth discussing if it turns up in the manifesto. It wasn't In the last one. Odd that you chose something that was a discussion point not a manifesto commitment. Politicians often put ideas up to see how the public take to them.

Do you give that benefit of the doubt to "discussion points" raised by non-socialist politicians?

There are only two realistic possibilities. Either McDonnell really means to expropriate property on an unprecedented scale (his other wheeze, given to the FT, involves "redistributing" £300 billion (!) of company shares), in which case he is a radical and loony socialist. Or he is a liar, duping his loyal Momentum drones as they salivate at the thought of all that free money which will never in fact arrive.

Which is it?

“Do you give that benefit of the doubt to "discussion points" raised by non-socialist politicians?”

Sorry- presses too soon.Yes I do.

And there’s. 3rd option- that this is a speculative idea that might or might not make it into the mNifesro in some form or other. Personally, I would applaud something which limited people’s capacity to sit on empty houses at a time of housing crisis and attempts to build on green belt land.

You can mock me, you can ridicule me but time will tell who is right and who will have the last laugh. Your not so big and clever like you think you are. Delusion is one of the traits of the losers who devote all their energy to whineing and crying because they didn't get their way, so have a tantrum.

Catching up on this thread now. How unsurprising to read the ‘if you love the EU so much, why don’t you go and live there’ comments. Perhaps because Brexit makes this so much harder - I’ll likely need to earn over £35k, be able to secure a job beforehand, be able to afford private health care, need an additional driving licence, and have pension issues - none of which would have happened whilst we were in the EU ... so although I’d love to ‘sod off to the EU’, all you Brexiters have made that extremely difficult for ordinary people who don’t have pots of cash, so I’m stuck on Brexit island with an unelected far right PM, controlled by an unelected far right bureaucrat.

@user1479814544 I apologise for laughing at your typo- it just struck me funny, but I shouldn’t have done it
What freedoms will you have on November 1 that you haven’t got now?

I’ve only noticed one poster on this thread having a tantrum and that’s the one who offered to punch our lights out.

Please can one of the “user” names change their name or I will get very confused!

3rd option- that this is a speculative idea that might or might not make it into the mNifesro in some form or other.

OK - so he's apparently not a loony socialist or a liar, just a blowhard who may eventually turn out to be one or the other. I suppose that's your best case scenario

Personally, I would applaud something which limited people’s capacity to sit on empty houses at a time of housing crisis and attempts to build on green belt land.

If that's all the thief wanted, no one would care. Houses that are rented out are, by definition, not empty.

@user1479814544 this link sums it up pretty well.

Now can you give me your reasons for your view? As I asked earlier?

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/13/is-the-eu-undemocratic-referendum-reality-check - Anything the Guardian publishes is biased. Did you vote for the new EU leader? Were you asked if you wanted to be part of the EU? I know I certainly did not

'Verdict: no dictatorship, but no democratic idyll' - so not, dress it up all you want but it is not a 'democracy' I want to belong to.

'“The EU has many serious democratic flaws. But the deficit can be tackled.”' - yeah right, good luck with that.

I was asked if I wanted to be part of the EU back in the 1970s and I said yes, please.

Do I spot the special pleading of a buy to let landlord?

Incidentally, I thought you were listing Corbyn’s bizarre beliefs, not John McDonnell’s.

Hi all,
Threatening to punch someone will get you banned.
So our friend user1479814544 has now left the building.
Peace and love.
MNHQ

Er, we're talking about Corbyn's actual results, not his predicted grades

I understand that

But ds1 very nearly got kicked out without any A levels...which would have made him stupid apparently, when he isn’t stupid

(Actually the college was very good with him...)

Do I spot the special pleading of a buy to let landlord?

I own a lot of property and am not keen on losing it. The fact that you think property rights are "special pleading" reveals your authoritarian leftist mentality.

Incidentally, I thought you were listing Corbyn’s bizarre beliefs, not John McDonnell’s.

So according to you there's no intersection between Corbyn's beliefs and his Shadow Chancellor's? That would be stunning if true. But since you ask:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-right-buy-scheme-houses-landlords-tenants-john-mcdonnell-corbyn-a9088211.html

Setting out loose guidelines for a Labour policy first suggested by Jeremy Corbyn during his 2015 party leadership bid, Mr McDonnell said the price paid by tenants who wanted to buy their home would not necessarily be the market price.

What now?

Corbyn as PM is utterly horrifying - Brexit isnt great, but Corbyn ? horrific !

More terrifying Brexit, even more terrifying the media,
looking forward to Corbyn he's a pussy cat.

What a minute

Am i about to be a mistaken for a Corbyn supporter cos i dont think exams or lack thereof always reflects intelligence

Oops, unintended consequences and all that

“Am i about to be a mistaken for a Corbyn supporter cos i dont think exams or lack thereof always reflects intelligence “

That worried me too!