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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think this in unfair of my mum?

179 replies

SpongeCake23 · 31/08/2019 21:55

My little boy of 11 months is being looked after by my in laws when I go back to work next week. They weren’t originally planning to, however they’ve stepped in for now, as our original childcare has fallen through.

Anyway, they have a prior engagement in a couple of weeks time that they don’t want to miss. My mum is visiting that week anyway, but was due to go home the day before. They asked me if my mum would do them a favour and stay that extra day to have him then (my mum doesn’t work so wouldn’t need to get back for that).
I asked her and she said no. Her reason being because she doesn’t want to look after him on her own because he’s too heavy to lift. I feel like this is an excuse and I don’t understand why she wouldn’t want to help me out. So I said my only other option is to call in sick and she said “well you’ll have to then” and when I said I was worried about how that would be perceived after just going back after maternity leave and that I don’t like lying to my employer, her response was “it’s not my problem”.
She then went on to say how ungrateful I was when I said I felt a bit upset by what she’d said. She proceeded to list all the time she’s put herself out for me and all the things they’ve done for me over the years and how selfish I am!

Now bear in mind this isn’t the first issue I’ve encountered with my mum/parents. They’ve always been very controlling and treat me/talk to me like a child. But I really thought things would change when I had my son. But it seems like they want to be grandparents on their terms which makes me sad.
They do live around 4 hours away, but both have free travel due to my dad working for the railway his entire working life.
They, especially mum constantly complain that they don’t get to see my DS enough and that my in laws are his main grandparents , but when opportunities arise to spend extra time with him, even if that is doing a favour for me, they don’t want to do it.
They’re happy visiting if it conviniences them, but don’t seem to want to put themselves out to come up and help when I really need them to (like now).

OP posts:
PlatoAteMySnozcumber · 01/09/2019 11:11

I never understand why people have such low expectations of their parents. I set the bar a bit higher and expect my parents to help me out if they can, the same way I would help out them or a friend etc. It is different if you expect regular weekly childcare, that’s quite an ask and I think too restrictive on anyone who isn’t a childcare professional. YANBU.

Aridane · 01/09/2019 11:20

do think the airport has a lot to do with it. I’ve flown to and from London City a few times and it is a very relaxed, calm experience.

Aridane · 01/09/2019 11:20

Wrong thread!

PlugUgly1980 · 01/09/2019 11:36

This is my DM! Wants to be involved, moans that she doesn't see her grandchildren but made so many excuses not to help out with ad hoc requests that I no longer ask, as she either made excuses or let us down last minute. She only wants to see grandchildren when we are there on planned days out or her terms...a complete opposite to in laws who insisted they would do 1 day a week childcare, always offer to babysit, take their grandchildren away for weekends on their own, etc. On reflection the reality is my own DM is just not confident and too anxious to look after them on her own. Once I made my peace with that and stopped asking life became easier. She still moans she doesn't see them much, but that's her problem, we have busy lives so get on with doing our own thing now and see her when we can on our terms as a family. You need to sort a nursery out so you're not reliant on one person for childcare.

Idontwanttotalk · 01/09/2019 11:48

Firstly, I can understand that your DM feels left out due to living further away and, if I were in your position, I would try my best to ensure that I equalised how much time both sets of grandparents spend with your child. That could help alleviate future problems/jealousy.

I note you worded it that your MIL asked you if your DM could do them a favour. That is telling about how they view the situation.

Actually MIL should just be telling you they can't babysit on that specific day as they have a prior engagement. Then it is up to you to sort the problem out.

I don't know if you did but if you told your DM your MIL asked if she could do them a favour, then I can maybe understand her being less than pleased at being asked.

I'm not sure if I've misunderstood. Is your DM visiting when you are back at work but your ILs will still be looking after your child when your DM is visiting? If so, what will your DM be getting out of the visit?

You responded to a PP your DM is not ill but could it be she has a problem if she is worried about putting her back out by picking up your son?
Is your mum slight of build and weight and your son a bit heavy?

I wouldn't necesarily jump to the conclusion that your DM doesn't want to look after your son but she may lack confidence caring for him on her own.

You shouldn't criticise your DM for commenting about not seeing DS as much as the ILs and then saying no to filling in only when your MIL can't do it. That will make her feel used. You only asked because you are desperate and not because of trying to ensure she spends time with her grandson. She probably feels quite hurt.

SpongeCake23 · 01/09/2019 12:16

@Idontwanttotalk I asked her to do ME a favour, not a favour for my in laws.
The thing is, this isn’t the first time something like this has happened. There have been plenty of other occasions that I’ve asked mum/both mum and dad to come up and see us. They came to visit a lot when he was a newborn and only a few months old. But now he’s that bit older, they seem to have lost interest or something.
They often say they’ll come up on xyz and then at the last minute change their mind or make an excuse as to why they can’t make it. They also won’t make arrangements in advance so that makes planning things very difficult. They expect that they can message me a week or so before and that it’s fine to visit then, despite the fact I might have something planned already.

OP posts:
Spudina · 01/09/2019 12:46

I feel for you OP, your Mum is a lot like my DF. He isn't interested in my children, very reluctant to help out. As a consequence they aren't close to him at all. And he doesn't know them really. Several years in, I still find it hard. My advice is that for your own sanity, you drastically reduce your expectations of your Mum. As hard as it is (and it's really tough when you see the great relationships other people's kids have with their grandparents) she is unlikely to change. See her on your terms. She will reap what she sows when she doesn't have relationship she wants with you or your children.

LovePoppy · 01/09/2019 13:11

It’s your mum’s right to decline being child care. She doesn’t even need an excuse. I, personally, I wouldn’t want somebody who couldn’t lift my child to do childcare. I certainly wouldn’t want somebody who was uncomfortable doing it.

The other issues you have are separate.

But no, it’s not her responsibility. It’s yours

NabooThatsWho · 01/09/2019 13:16

Stop considering her as an option, and you will hopefully stop feeling disappointed.

If she wanted to, she would. You need to accept the way she is, even if it’s shit.

LovePoppy · 01/09/2019 13:25

Canceling her visit over not wanting to do childcare is petty and manipulative.

Be better than that

cptartapp · 01/09/2019 13:35

My DM was never massively interested and she lived ten minutes away. Would rather be shopping or on holiday. We could go a month easily with no contact. Unfortunately some people just don't enjoy the company of or effort required with young DC, grandchildren or not.

MerryDeath · 01/09/2019 13:41

they are providing FT childcare? for free? i think YABU.. i know it's complicated but the free gma childcare does come with their convenience attached (to whatever extent they wish to flex it). get paid childcare is my advise to you- it's much easier. we get a bit of both and occasionally i am let down by MIL (never by my own mother Hmm) and i just grin, bear it and use a day of AL.

Weezol · 01/09/2019 13:53

They also won’t make arrangements in advance so that makes planning things very difficult. They expect that they can message me a week or so before and that it’s fine to visit then

How much notice do you need? It sounds as though they can't do anything right.

CheeryB · 01/09/2019 13:56

Several pps have asked if she has a bad back. There's been no answer. And to consider cancelling her visits because she won't provide childcare is incredibly self-centred. I'm a similar age to this DM and I really wouldn't want the responsibility of a 1 year old for a whole day. That doesn't mean I don't want to 'spend time with them' just nervous of the responsibility. The concept of the in-laws asking the DM to do them a favour reminds me of the Denise Title character. I know OP says she didn't present it that way to DM, but did to MN in the original post.

CheeryB · 01/09/2019 13:58

Denise Royle

QualCheckBot · 01/09/2019 17:43

They often say they’ll come up on xyz and then at the last minute change their mind or make an excuse as to why they can’t make it. They also won’t make arrangements in advance so that makes planning things very difficult

They just can't be bothered, can they? They want the good feeling that comes with promising to visit etc but can't be bothered to see it through. Which is worse almost than showing no interest. They're taking the piss and treating you pretty badly. The not looking after your DC for one day is a symptom of this. They just want to enjoy their lives and have no responsibility in their retirement at all. Hopefully it will be like that for all of us one day but it seems unlikely!

CheeryB · 01/09/2019 20:11

They just want to enjoy their lives and have no responsibility in their retirement at all

Bastards. Why should they do as they please after a lifetime of work.

QualCheckBot · 01/09/2019 21:45

CheeryB Bastards. Why should they do as they please after a lifetime of work.

The OP says that their "lifetime of work" was facilitated by plenty of free childcare from her grandparents. They sound selfish.

LovePoppy · 01/09/2019 23:35

@QualCheckBot so because her parents had childcare they now owe free childcare?

That’s not how it works

CheeryB · 02/09/2019 07:32

They sound selfish
Maybe the GP were younger and didn't have bad backs.

pumapuma · 02/09/2019 08:15

I don’t think YABU. My mother would always have my children but only if I took them to her. She does drive but can’t ever be bothered to drive to me. It’s hard when your parents don’t have your back. I expected it would be different. We’ve coped but it’s made me depressed and highlighted the lack of proper family relationship. It’s going to be really hard on you being a teacher. When my little one started nursery he went down with constant coughs/colds/temperatures for about a year! He never made it in a full week. I know people who used a childminder had an easier time as they weren’t exposed to so much. Such a tricky situation!

CheeryB · 03/09/2019 01:41

My first child was born with severe learning disabilities. There was no nursery that would, or even could, deal with her complex needs. I couldn't go back to work. There is no nursery provision for working parents of disabled children. When your child is born with a very obvious disability it's all on you. There is no outside agency to step in and help. There is no magic NHS thing, or community thing, or social service thing that steps in and tells you what to do. You have to go figure and sort it out for yourself. There is no nursery you can farm them out to.

My mother would not be left alone with my dd1 even for me to go to the toilet for a wizz. I had to take her with me. My daughter could take a fit at any time and DM didn't feel equal to dealing with it. And I don't blame her. It scared the shite out of me as well.

In an ideal world, grandparents dote on their grandchildren, and so will I if and when I get some. I can't wait to dote on them and play with them and love them and do all I can to make them feel secure and loved. (I have younger NT children - managed to drag them up somehow alongside my eldest SN child, and they are at the stage of starting families) But would I want to commit myself to regular childcare for my grandchildren? That would be a resounding no.

Would I take responsibility for a one year old grandchild in an emergency situation? Of course. In a heartbeat.
But in a situation where there is at least a month's warning then I'd expect there to be alternative options. If I was unwell and had a dodgy back, and the child wasn't walking I would demur.
There is also the question unwritten, between the lines.
What is the nature of the child? This is known to the OP and her DM.

My own dd2 was a lovely good natured child who walked at 10 months and didn't need to be picked up, was a delight to spend time with, had excellent language and communication and was easy going and amazingly, had really good concept of basic reasoning.

Which is just as well because dd1 was a fucking nightmare.

My mother, when she was alive, would tolerate a half hour while I had a shower entertaining dd2. But I had to take dd1 with me.

So I suppose what I'm saying is that if OPs Mum doesn't feel equal to looking after her grandchild for a whole day, why does everyone jump on her for it? There might be a really very good reason that she doesn't want to. It doesn't mean that she doesn't love her grandchild.
Perhaps the child is particularly wearing or difficult or badly behaved or given to tantrums. Or like, in my case, I took my god daughter to the cinema, thinking I'd give her mother a few hours peace, and the child not only ran me ragged, but started to do little gymnastic moves over the balcony. I was in lumps of sweat and rags after.
Other people's kids are such a huge responsibility.
It's not that you don't want to look after them per se, but sometimes the responsibility for their safety and welfare is overwhelming and a huge burden.

When we read a post, we only hear one side of the story. I can understand the responses from women who have really close knit families who would just step in without question. I really envy that.

And let me make it plain, for all the people who claim to have spent their childhood at their grandparents house being entertained and looked after while their parents lived irresponsibly and virtually child free lives - most of us really didn't.

People my age, which is 62, were lucky to have any living grandparents at all. All four of my grandparents were dead before I was born. And that goes for all my peers So to say it was the norm for grandparents to supply childcare in days gone by is not true in the vast majority of situations, Wealthy people it's different. They seem to live longer. Who knows why?

So it's a very 'now' thing that grandparents are expected to spend their retirement providing childcare for their grandchildren after spending years of childcare for their own children and then mistakenly thought that they could spend the final ten or fifteen years of their lives without responsibility? Because they've given their children the deposit for a house ( they did OP, didn't they?)
And every minute of their consciousness worrying how you are getting on.

So yes. YABU. They are your children. You have absolutely no grounds to expect your mother to look after them for a whole day on her own. She still loves them to little meatballs. She loves them.
However, she doesn't want the responsibility for a whole day. If you are fully mature you will understand that.

Aprillygirl · 03/09/2019 04:34

Perhaps she really does struggle to lift your child? Does she pick him up much when you're around? Is he a clingy baby who needs carrying around a lot? She could have back problems and/or be a bit frail. How old is she? Maybe she just doesn't have the confidence to look after a baby alone for a whole day but doesn't want to admit it.

tillytrotter1 · 03/09/2019 13:25

As a grandparent myself I think she is being very mean to you, of course your child is your responsibility etc etc, but neverthless I thinks he could have made some effort.

LovePoppy · 03/09/2019 18:17

I’ve always wondered, reading gransnet who these awful children who demanded child care were. I really truly thought they were making shit up.

I see now that they weren’t. It’s most of this thread. Good lord. Sort yourselves out and be self sufficient.

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