To not speak to my husband over Brexit!

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So does anyone virtually want a divorce because their partner agrees with No Deal? I feel like telling my husband, when we have no money and food prices are sky high, or if someone we know can’t get medicine they need, that it’s his fault for supporting Brexit and No Deal. I don’t understand why people are so short sighted and can’t see the bigger picture. Everyone my age (mid 40s) and younger, who went to University, is anti Brexit, or at least anti No Deal. Even the most staunch, Middle Class over 60s, don’t support No Deal. The only ones who do, appear to be uneducated, ignorant or racist, homophonic, sexist etc type people. So why does my husband agree with it? I feel he’s not the man I married. So am I being unreasonable to feel this way?

But the links between them are complicated. They’re not nonexistent

Definitely think supporting Brexit for most isnt selfish as it is detrimental to the interests of most.

How on earth is wanting to remain selfish and racist @Allthemadmen?

Alsohuman, I think it’s selfish in that remainders are keener to keep their jobs and medical and food supplies

Most people with any sense are quite keen to keep their jobs and essential medications. I didn’t realise people who want to leave were volunteering for unemployment and ill health.

Not sure about the racism thing not being a factor.
There was the breaking point poster and the threat of Turkey joining the EU.
And then you always seem to get a leaver who says they felt that non-EU migrants are discriminated against in the current system and vote leave is their way of allowing more non-EU migration... which doesn't actually square with the fact of non-EU migration being totally under the control of each respective country including the UK.

Ugh. I'm tired of the whole thing. Going to hide under a blanket for a decade.

Aderyn19 I said the vote brought his attitudes into focus, no reference to anyone else.

But at a basic level, people are going to want to be with someone who shares their values, and Brexit has brought all manner of things to the surface in a way that even a general election hasn't in the past.

I've seen friends at loggerheads, so I wouldn't be surprised to see marriages under pressure.

But the inference is that in voting for Brexit it confirms your view that he is a horrible person. As if it's a character flaw to add to all his other character flaws. It's neither here nor there how he voted. There will be nice people and horrible ones who voted for Brexit - I expect some wife beaters voted for remain.

Amara, in a smallish country with limited resources, you can't have unlimited immigration. So if you have complete freedom of movement for EU citizens,there will be pressure on a govt to cut immigration elsewhere. Which is why the govt make it so expensive and difficult to get residency here. Makes more sense to me to have a points system and even things up.
Some of us have family who are not EU citizens, so this isn't just some bullshit thing we say that doesn't mean anything, it's the experience of people we care about.

Your post is amazingly rude, however i think that the original vote was not made by most people on an informed choice, the leavers did not run a campaign as they thought a leave result would never happen

But from the people I know, virtually no one my age does support it
How do you know? Maybe they're just so fed up with being cross-examined that they keep their views to themselves.

There was a poll recently which found that Remain voters are far less prepared than Leave voters to agree to disagree. Who are the intolerant ones? Let's remember that there are no facts in this argument, on EITHER side. No one can predict the future in a field as complex as global economics as there are too many variables, so let's stop pretending that we know what will happen. Just get on and live your life without fretting about what might happen.

@DdraigGoch

Let's remember that there are no facts in this argument, on EITHER side

That's simply not true, and you know it. That seems to the be the post-truth argument du jour.

Yes, there are for and against with points based systems. You'd need a government that was strong on central planning for a start.
But the fact remains that the UK government has blamed it's poor management of immigration on everyone but themselves. Between not enforcing the employment rules on EU migrants, to the Windrush victims, to the current mess with EU citizens and settled status I have less than zero confidence in them.

Also it's likely that visas will be a condition of trade deals going forward (wasn't that what Theresa May was told in her visit to India?) so this almighty rebalancing may not be delivered in quite the way is imagined.

@AtmosClock I'm afraid it is true. Anyone who thinks that they can infallibly predict the future is kidding themselves. Even weather forecasters with centuries of aggregated experience and the most powerful computers in the world will only ever predict something to within a 95% confidence level.

Only time will tell.

I wish some of these investment bankers and PhDs on the internet, anyone can be who they want to be would explain why they think a disorderly Brexit is ok, and what possible benefits such a thing would confer. What an absolute load of BALLS.

I'm afraid it is true.

You missed my point. There are plenty of facts on either side. The Capital of France is not Tokyo. The biggest export product of Germany is not Avocados. There are lots of facts in relation to Brexit.

You are correct that the future is not possible to predict, but to draw parallels with the weather (it's my area of expertise), I might not be able to say whether the 1st July 2020 will be a warmer day than 1st May 2020, but I can be quite confident that July will likely be a warmer month than January.

And the balance of evidence would seem to be that creating trade barriers with our largest barrier is almost certainly likely to make us poorer.

What I don't understand from the no dealers is what they think will happen next?
The UK will have to come back to table to get a new trade deal with the EU, it can't do without it's closest large market. And it'll probably have to happen quite quickly.
Likewise these people who want to leave without paying the settlement. This will make the UK a defaulter on money owed, which will damage it reputationally for trade deals and also mean that it will almost certainly have to pay higher interest rates on the global finance markets.
Your politicians have poisoned your relationship with other countries and trashed your fantastic reputation for honesty. It genuinely makes me sad.

Yes leave him.

He does not deserve you.

Find somebody else from the brexit board.

Good times.

Ok so if after Brexit and there is no shortage of medicine or food prices stay as they are and there are no adverse effects etc then would you be still thinking of divorcing his for having a different view to you?

I'm glad my husband and I have different views on some things, makes us our own person and gives us something to debate occasionally. Would never dream of saying my view is right and his is totally wrong.

How about not wasting your energy over it. You can't change it, so quit worrying and get on with your life!! What will be will be now.

The most sensible post on the subject!

My relationship with DH would never be the same again if he voted leave. If he wanted no deal I honestly don't think I could be with him anymore.

He would have shown himself to be a very very different person to the person I thought I married. And imo to have a successful long term relationship you do need to have some basic fundamental views in common. You can disagree on many things but to me this issue is very revealing about your core beliefs and I just couldn't imagine being married and having children with someone so so different to me.

"Maybe not, but most of the people you've aligned yourself with are. So don't moan when people think you're ignorant, uneducated & racist. If you get into bed with dogs, you get fleas."

I presume this applies equally to Jeremy Corbyn then, @lifecraft? He aligns himself with a lot of racists.

Aye, right

Going back to the original question, I honestly think on both sides Brexit has got almost nothing to do with Brexit. It's become evident that Brexiteers couldn't give a shit about parliamentary democracy for example. Brexit has become a totem for a whole cluster of believes. Are you against immigration, feminism, environmental protection, gay rights, multi-culturalism? Then the chances are you're for Brexit. If you so those things as good things, then you're likely a remainer.

It's not a single issue question about something like should we invest more in public transport, or should VAT rate be higher or lower.

If my DH shared wildly different values, then I'd find it difficult.

Given how this government has acted towards the Windrush generation, I wouldn’t count on leaving the EU on making immigration being easier for non-EU citizens.

If people voted to leave the EU because they wanted their non-EU family/friends to get an easier ride on immigration, freedom of movement perhaps, it won’t happen. The government could have done that with certain countries if it really wanted to, regardless of the EU membership!