To not speak to my husband over Brexit!

[telvg]

So does anyone virtually want a divorce because their partner agrees with No Deal? I feel like telling my husband, when we have no money and food prices are sky high, or if someone we know can’t get medicine they need, that it’s his fault for supporting Brexit and No Deal. I don’t understand why people are so short sighted and can’t see the bigger picture. Everyone my age (mid 40s) and younger, who went to University, is anti Brexit, or at least anti No Deal. Even the most staunch, Middle Class over 60s, don’t support No Deal. The only ones who do, appear to be uneducated, ignorant or racist, homophonic, sexist etc type people. So why does my husband agree with it? I feel he’s not the man I married. So am I being unreasonable to feel this way?

People have said. They just get fed up with bring called thick racists, so mostly choose not to engage on MN anymore.

People have said. They just get fed up with bring called thick racists, so mostly choose not to engage on MN anymore

This always sounds like I have a girlfriend, but she goes to another school, and she's away on holiday right now. I just don't believe it.

I guess people notice things which are aimed at them more than things which aren't.

I'm mid thirties, university educated, working professional yaddah yaddah.

I voted remain but would now favour no deal over a bad deal. If we've got to leave the EU (and god knows I wish we didn't) then I'd rather do it on our terms.

I voted remain but would now favour no deal over a bad deal. If we've got to leave the EU (and god knows I wish we didn't) then I'd rather do it on our terms.

But it won't be on our terms if we come out with no deal. Because then we'd immediately have to go back in for a deal, but this time, we'd have much less leverage.

The parallel is a bit like deciding to leave your company or take voluntary redundancy. You'll be more likely to get a deal on your terms, while you're working for the company and negotiating a severance package, then if you resign with immediate effect, and then argue for a severance package.

Never let politics divide you. It's all bollocks.

The problem is any deal is going to be worse than what we have. I'm angry with DH over this even though we are both remainers. He's a staunch Corbynite and as they all are, refuse to see any criticism of him as anything other than Tory propoganda. Its getting ridiculous as he's now refusing to watch Countdown or listen to the news quiz because of the traitorous Andy Hamilton and Rachel Riley, so it's not just a leave /"remain issue, although when Corbyn loses half the Labour seats to the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party he will be over and the ensuing nightmare hopefully will be over 5 years later. Leaving the EU will be with us for far longer. I'm not sure I'd be able to stick it out.

Or it's like working your notice but your employer won't agree to sort out your references.

The irony is it is UNBELIEVABLY unintelligent and narrow minded to imagine that 17 million people, that's 17,000,000 people, all had the same reasons for voting leave and all of them negative. It's beyond absurd.
The irony is that 17,000,000 people all have their own fantasy version of Brexit. The racists have theirs, the Lexiteers have theirs, the 'sovereignty' mob have theirs, the ERG have theirs, the 'give Cameron a bloody nose' folk had theirs, the 'I'm not racist, but there are too many Eastern European children at my DC school' people had theirs, etc. And they expected it to be a piece of piss despite this.

Or it's like working your notice but your employer won't agree to sort out your references.

But in the analogy, you're even less likely for them to sort out your references once you've left without any agreement.

I agree that people can have different opinions to me but when those opinions are stupid or racist it does make me think less of them.

The EU is a group of nations and the vast majority of matters are governed by national law (like gun control and immigration from outside the EU for example). The idea that the EU is somehow to blame for sex trafficking or lack of gun control is simply stupid.

Leaving the EU will have a profoundly negative impact on our economy and the supply of essential goods. I haven’t yet heard a good reason to leave. If any of the claims from pp that they have degrees etc but still believe in no deal Brexit are true that’s sad.

@Daffodil2018 no deal is the worst deal we could get. How is it leaving on our terms?

WTF @telvg??? Both my H and I are university educated (Russell group) and young-ish, me 30s him 40s, and we are ok with a no deal Brexit.

Fuck sake. You're the arrogant one!

I voted remain and DH voted leave.
The idea of falling out with him over a vote is nonsensical (to me at least.)
I think a lot of people who are saying stop a no deal Brexit are just hoping to stop Brexit altogether.

I have never discussed politics with my OH because I know it would lead to divorce.

It is wrong to assume that people who voted leave are all as described in several posts above. Some people have good reason to want to leave, especially those whose livelihoods have gone down the pan - e.g. fishing communities.

There were good reasons for the UK to be renegotiating its relationship with the changing EU; it is a shame this could not have been done in a professional statespersonlike manner, rather than subjecting the UK to a politically driven referendum without providing detailed onformation about the options, sensible turnout parameters, and ditto with margin level.

I voted remain and DP didn't vote (he didn't feel educated enough on the impact it would have) however my friends all voted leave. I've got an economics degree and completely disagree with no deal however if its going to happen, it'll happen. After 3 years of heated discussions we just all have an unspoken agreement to not mention it. And they won't be allowed any of my stock pile if necessary ;)

I was with some friends from Belfast recently and we fell to chatting about how such murderous hatred could arise among people who always seem so lovely when you are there.

Then I find threads like this, and others, where people start 'hating', 'despising' etc people who have different views from them, and calling those people some horrible names. And I begin to wonder ...

I see it justified as being a threat to the 'hater's' well being, and sometimes to the country's well being, but that was what was said in NI: the Unionists believed that the Republicans were trying to impose a 'threatening' way of life on them and the Republicans believed the same of the Unionists. Each provided data to back up their arguments. Yet, to an outsider, life in the UK and Ireland don't look so dramatically different, with one intolerable, that it would be worth even considering killing another person to avoid living that life.

My friends are about 50/50 Leave and Remain, but because they are decent, respectful people, they allow the 'other side' to express their opinions. Thus I have repeatedly heard a variety of arguments on both sides. What is striking is that each believes that their 'facts' are correct and the others' 'facts' are just beliefs, based on mistaken interpretation of the data. Upthread, at least one PP used the word 'factually' when s/he expressed her/his beliefs. There is data out there that supports each side of the argument, but, thanks to confirmation bias, each person takes note of what backs up his/her viewpoint and dismisses what shows it to be possibly wrong.

Nobody actually knows what will happen if we leave without A Deal (there are already quite a number of small agreements in place, so it wouln't be deal-less), leave with this deal or that deal, or remain. For each 'expert' on one side there is another on the other.

But all this hatred aimed at people with different opinions. How can that be OK?

This always sounds like I have a girlfriend, but she goes to another school, and she's away on holiday right now. I just don't believe it

Atoms you obviously haven’t read some of the comments directed st leavers such as:

The sooner the aged brexit voters die off and the sensible youth can try and repair the damage the better.

They are complete morons.

Mummy has no clue what shes spewing. Her posts read like brainfart with no internal filter.

I'm embarrassed to be British. What a thick load of arseholes we are.

Absolute fucking small minded cunts the lots of them

Leavers have less intelligence than fleas on a dog and need to be eradicated as such

thing is the thick brexiteers believe everything he says.

This is a very small selection of a vast array of comments aimed at leavers and then there’s a few regular remainer posters who discuss leaver posters between themselves in the most sneering, unpleasant and sarcastic manner. So not surprisingly most leavers have given up.

Sorry, Atmos not atoms.

@Dapplegrey

While I agree those comments are terrible, my argument was delivered at the first part of the sentence about the reasoned arguments having been put forward and therefore they don't need to be put forward again.

Having said that, I will say something about what I consider the asymmetry of nastiness. I don't doubt that a lot of Brexiteers are lovely people, but one would have to be wilfully blind to not see that big parts of the leave campaign (in 2016 and the drumbeat that led up to it) was infused with nationalism, xenophobia, and in parts racism. By supporting leave, I think you have to recognise that you have partially endorsed those feelings and anger.

amicissimma~ having read, followed and posted on the thread from the beginning, I just wanted to say that your post is by far and away one of the best I’ve read. It was obvious that the initial op was going to get slightly derailed into the why and where for but you made a good post- thanks 👍🏻

It’s obvious that the OP has sodded off after she lit the blue touch paper which I find very rude.

OP If you’re not a journalist at least have the decency to respond.

What I’d like to know, is all the people who support a no deal, why? What solid, citable facts do you have that prove we will be ‘better off’?
I’ve been asking Leave voters since the vote and nobody has actually been able to back anything up.

Sorry love but this post only shows that for an "educated" person you appear to be quite ignorant yourself. That poor husband of yours should run while he still has a chance. And from what I've seen so far - the only people who are short sighted and can't see a bigger picture are the ones who share you POV.

@edwinbear
Why did you vote leave ?
What were the reasons behind your decision considering your "type" would be ususlly touted as a remainer.
Just interested in why.
I'm not a UK citizen or living in the UK.