To think it is now inevitable that Scotland will become independent?

[amandacarnet]

With brexit and the increasing move to the right wing, I think it is now just a matter of time until Scotland becomes independent.

Yes we fucking should. Every single promise that was made to keep us in the Union was broken.

Why? The question set in the referendum was something like 'do you want scotland to leave the UK, yes or no', not 'do you want Scotland to leave the UK based on these promises, yes or no'.

Politicians will always lie, its inevitable. Even the snp was found to be lying during it. Of course they would say whatever they could to get a vote, it's their job. They then very rarely follow through on it. That's just politicians.

I voted no because I didn't trust them to make a good job of it if we left. Going by how badly they've run Scotland since then, I still don't. They need to start focusing on the country, sort out its issues. If they could actually prove they can do that and help its citizens I would be persuaded to vote yes. But I'm not until they learn to do that rather than focusing on more referendums.

Agree blue. I find it hilarious that I voted no because I believed lies. I barely listened to the chat of either side because I voted from my heart not to break up my country.

I certainly didn't do it because I thought 'well Alistair Darling would never lie to me so I'll just do as he advises'.

Haven't seen hide nor silver hair of Alistair Darling since the referendum, and don't care.

Oh and that other guy. Tall, soft voice. Jim Murphy. I didn't know who he was prior to the indyref, and he's been thin on the ground since. It's laughable to think I 'swallowed his lies'. Whenever he came on telly we were like 'speak up Jim! Ooh weird eyes, that one'.

I travelled across various borders by train when young. All it involved each time was an official coming on and asking to see your passport. Train stopped for about 10-15 mins while it happened. And that was travelling to communist countries with strict borders. But that was pre internet. Easiest way these days is to do it electronically when people buy a ticket. So you put in details of your citizenship when buying a ticket.
Because let's face it the real risk to borders is Scottish waters. Land border is very low risk.
To the person who says snp estimate of how many people needed to cdefend waters is too low, my question would be if that number is less or more than currently? Because I suspect no one on this thread actually knows how many people are needed. What makes most sense is to have the same people who do it now, do it after independence.

And of course some Scottish people believed the conservatives party lies to get people-to vote no. If you think it is fine for politicians to say whatever they want, to say whatever lies they want to get people to vote a certain way, then even more reason to leave. I for one want nothing to do with a Conservative party that thinks that is okay.
The snp did not lie. With finances I did not agree with some of the assumptions they mad,e. But constant outright lies, no.

Well they did lie. They said that we would be keeping the pound even if we left Britain. For one thing, Britain I doubt would let them keep the British pound, and for another if they applied to join the EU, we would have to take the euro. Its part of the rules of joining. Yet salmond insisted we would keep the pound. That's lying.

They all did it. Like I say, it's their job to lie. You can't trust politicians I'm afraid.

The only thing I'd like about an indyref rerun is the chance to call myself a remainer and the other lot leavers :)

Blue oasis Scotland has a Scottish pound. It already has its own currency. There is no such thing as the British pound. There is the Wales and England pound.

Blue oasis, nonsense!!

I can't see wales becoming independent, sorry Wales. Scotland has its own law, own education system and own currency. That makes it easier to leave as a lot of infrastructure is already in place,

Also blueoasis no one knows what the rules of Scotland joining the Eu would. Be. Personally I suspect the Eu would rather like to-welcome Scotland into the Eu and would agree to them keeping the Scottish pound. It would be a public snub to the Westminster government and I suspect prime ministers such as France would enjoy giving this snub.

Our currency is sterling? Having notes issued with different designs on doesn't make them a separate currency, as every tourist in London knows.

It's legal tender!

Any country in the world can use the pound - it's not something that the UK can cover. At the moment Scottish banks print their own bank notes which need to be covered by assets they hold in BoE.

The issue with Scotland retaining the pound is that it would have no control over the currency, this was less of an issue in the past when the UK had a mature stable economy, now that the UK is becoming a failed state I think it would probably be more sensible for Scotland to adopt a different currency.

🤦‍♀️ Scotlands currency is the pound sterling, the gbp pound. Just because it has different people on it doesn't make it a different currency.

If you want to believe what snp tells you, that's your right. I don't trust them, tories, Labour, lib dems, greens, any of them to be honest. They all lie. None of them give a crap about the country. I'm not going to believe them. I go by actions, and I've not seen anything to tell me that any of them can lead a country.

“I didn't vote no because it would keep us in the EU. I was fully aware that, along with which party is in government, could change.”

It doesn’t really matter why you as an individual voted, the prospectus from the UK Government was what it was and it has not been honoured. All they had to do was keep their word, and we would not be having this discussion. Independence would be far away from the table.

It’s their fault that the situation is what it is.

“For one thing, Britain I doubt would let them keep the British pound”

So ignorant. Britain doesn’t get to choose who uses the pound. Any country can use it.

Scotlands currency is the pound sterling, the gbp pound. Just because it has different people on it doesn't make it a different currency

I think you misunderstand. The GBP is as much Scottish currency as it is English. An independent Scotland (like any other country in the world) could continue to use GBP.

Blueoasis you are wrong. This is nothing to do with the snp. I was taught about forty years ago that the Scottish pound was not actually legal tender in England, but was accepted according to custom and practice. At the time some shopkeepers in places like Blackpool actually only accepted Scottish pounds at a lower exchange rate I.e. Scottish pound worth 95 English pence. The recession of the eighties did away with that. Suddenly shopkeepers we're glad of any money they were given.

Scottish banknotes are not legal tender - they are legal currency.

Scottish Banknotes are legal currency – i.e. they are approved by the UK Parliament. However, Scottish Bank notes are not Legal Tender, not even in Scotland. In fact, no banknote whatsoever (including Bank of England notes!) qualifies for the term 'legal tender' north of the border and the Scottish economy seems to manage without that legal protection.

www.scotbanks.org.uk/banknotes/legal-position.html

I think you misunderstand. The GBP is as much Scottish currency as it is English. An independent Scotland (like any other country in the world) could continue to use GBP.

Would they be allowed to print their own though, if their own country? I don't think they could. They could use it, but not print it.

I actually get frustrated about discussions such as printing of currency. These really are non issues. Countries all over the world have become independent and created their own currency.
It is a distraction from the real issues.

Would they be allowed to print their own though, if their own country? I don't think they could. They could use it, but not print it.

I'd be interested to know the answer to this. At the moment Scotland is "allowed" to print its own currency as long as it holds equal value in gold / BOE issued bank notes in the BOE.

So that's an awful lot of money withdrawn from the BOE on independence?

No country in the world as far as I know follows the gold standard. Any country can print its own money. The key part is what exchange markets value that currency as worth.
So pound is doing terribly against the euro at the moment.

Nope, currency is very much a real issue. People don't like change, broadly. To many voters, a new currency is fine and a small thing to worry about if it means they get their greater aim, independence.
To a roughly equal amount of other voters, the change and uncertainty of a new currency is a huge deal breaker and not a small issue at all.

So England only used to print notes that it actually held gold for. It abandoned that a very long time ago.
Currency really is a bit of a confidence trick. Without the gold standard all currency really is worthless. But it is everyone's confidence that money will continue to be treated as a real thing toe change goods for,that keeps currencies afloat.
It is why very impoverished countries are often desperate for foreign currency, as their own currency is fine within the country, but few outside are willing to accept it.