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To wish Nicola sturgeon could take over the UK

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InkedGreen · 28/08/2019 20:51

She's speaking so much sense at the moment about brexit. I think she'd do a good job at running the country and is saying the truth about what boris Johnson! Would be good to get prescription fees and tution fees scrapped in England also!

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JoyceJeffries · 29/08/2019 07:58

Scottish living in Scotland and I think NS is dreadful.

motortroll · 29/08/2019 08:00

@19lottie82

Well you obviously don't have to pay for your prescription because they've been more than £7 for a very long time!! Currently £9

I do agree that us who can afford it should pay though, I'd rather have free A and E than free prescriptions (as a family we currently pay around £36 pm for prescriptions)

MorrisZapp · 29/08/2019 08:02

NS is the most gifted politician of her generation. I can't vote for her because I'm No, but in all other ways she has my support.

Pollywollydolly · 29/08/2019 08:03

Are you on drugs?

QualCheckBot · 29/08/2019 08:10

MorrisZap NS is the most gifted politician of her generation. I can't vote for her because I'm No, but in all other ways she has my support.

Absolutely not. Like most UK politicians, she has almost no experience of working outside politics (she did qualify as a solicitor but only worked for less than a year for a law centre providing free legal advice in Glasgow). No international experience. Little economic knowledge. Little understanding of EU rules and procedures, or compliance with EU law. Tendency towards state control and bending the truth and using state organs to create little niche markets for a favoured few contractors, at the expense of everyone else. Likes to pit one side against another and portray her detractors as evil (so not fond of large swathes of Scottish citizens). Doesn't understand the concept of having a proper constitution with checks and balances.

I will give her the ability, along with many SNP supporters, to be unaware of just how depressing Scotland has become. I don't know how they do it - perhaps its the prospect of a subsidised easy job and a heavily discounted house in return for granting planning permission in the green belt.

Central Scotland is an appalling landscape blighted by post industrial wasteland and modern developments with almost no new transport infrastructure. Its one of the most depressing places in Europe.

Strawberrycreamsundae · 29/08/2019 08:14

For god's sake no, the most irritating, yapping woman in politics.
Ruth yes, Nicola never!

PrimalLass · 29/08/2019 08:30

Surely the issue with Dunfermline lies with the council?

The council is waiting and waiting and waiting for some Scottish Government money to rebuild the high schools.

Aderyn19 · 29/08/2019 08:30

Named person and supporting self ID mean a big no thanks from me!

A lot of the things which are wrong in Scotland are also wrong in the rest of the UK. I don't think it's entirely fair to blame her for the state of the roads. But if she is going to run on a platform of saying an independent Scotland would be better, then she is obligated to demonstrate that in the areas where Scotland does have control. Has she? Because from this thread it doesn't seem as if Scots are universally impressed.

Wrt crime figures, they've fallen everywhere in England, Scotland and Wales iirc (not sure about NI). However violent crime has risen. And I would imagine that more Scottish kids go to university because it is free in Scotland, which is a great incentive. So I think statistics don't give us an honest picture since they can be manipulated to support any point a person wants to make (lies, damn lies and statistics, springs to mind).

I do agree with the point that Scotland as a smaller population, shouldn't be able to override the Brexit result. Scotland did choose to remain part of the Union and I think that means accepting majority decisions for Britain as a whole. I'm not sure if continued membership of the EU was more significant at the time of voting than continued use of the pound or any other issue. But the choice was made to stick with the union. I didn't vote for the Tories, but I got them because the majority did, so I have to suck it up. I don't think people can keep asking for another crack at it, every time a decision is made that we personally don't like. Lesson for the future is for governments to phrase questions properly. The yes or no question clearly isn't nuanced enough.

PrimalLass · 29/08/2019 08:31

Surely the issue with Dunfermline lies with the council

Plus even where developments have been turned down by the council, the SG reporter has overruled them.

Blueoasis · 29/08/2019 08:34

Curiositykilledthecat113

They should have contingency plans in the event of something like what happened in that school recently. They don't. The parents have been told nothing. How is that OK? Their kids get no education and fall behind. Maintenance might seem petty to you, but when it's ongoing and no sign of being fixed, how is that petty? Leaks can be fixed so why aren't they fixing them?

Hospitals having overworked and tired doctors making mistakes can kill people. Thought you would have figured that out. Hmm That's why it's not a good thing. The NHS in England is no better, but NHS SCOTLAND is Nicolas own fuck up so she can own it.

The a96 is an issue as well, one that none of the councillors are listening to the locals on. That always gets people on your side, when you ignore them.

The millions spent on what you think are trivial issues are my reason for why they are useless. The council that did that has no money anyway, to spend on you know important things like the area, its staff, services etc. They actually stopped collecting recycling for a couple of weeks because they couldn't pay the bill. And yet, let's go create all brand new road signs that were fine in the first place, just to please a power hungry woman in government. They can brand it up as keeping our culture all they want, its a dead language and meanwhile, their people are being left homeless. But sure, it was a great spend. Hmm I think housing people, making sure they are healthy and have enough food, not bankrupting them with hikes in council tax just because the council can't use a calculator and providing useful services to the community are more important. But what do I know? Clearly gaelic road signs are more important.

PrimalLass · 29/08/2019 08:34

You can't drive between Edinburgh and Dundee on a motorway, no you have to drive all the way round Dundee and stop at traffic lights and navigate several roundabouts.

WTAF are you talking about?

Oldbutstillgotit · 29/08/2019 08:35

Oh dear God no ! Bad enough having her as Scottish First Minister, don’t let her loose on the UK!

zsazsajuju · 29/08/2019 08:36

Usual predictable anti Scottish rhetoric here. I think she’s doing a great job as do about 40-50% of the Scottish people who vote for her.

PrimalLass · 29/08/2019 08:38

parents have been told nothing. How is that OK?

That's not true though.

Aderyn19 · 29/08/2019 08:41

I don't get that zsa. Does that mean if 3 million people vote for her, only 1.5 million of them think she's doing a good job.
Or does it mean half the country supports her and the other half think she's crap?

zsazsajuju · 29/08/2019 08:41

@blueoasis Gaelic Road signs were a decision of the libdem labour coalition. They are only done when being renewed anyway so cost is minimal. Hardly a reason for vehement dislike of SNP.

The NHS in Scotland is objectively in much better shape than in England. Your opposition to Nicola Sturgeon is ideological rather than anything to do with public services. At least be honest.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/08/2019 08:42

They voted SNP not for her. It’s tribal voting.

zsazsajuju · 29/08/2019 08:44

@Aderyn19 I agree that it’s likely much more who think she is doing a good job. My point was that if you were to read this thread you would think she was almost universally disliked whereas the opposite is true. The SNP have unprecedented levels of support in Scotland

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/08/2019 08:45

Not anyone I know!

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 29/08/2019 08:47

I actually really rate NS but as a No voter... but to answer the poster who snarked about the 'dozen Tories in Scotland being online tonight' - I think people really very often forget that just under 29% of Scots voted Tory in the last GE. That's a third of voters. FPTP tends not to translate these numbers into seats, but if people think the Tories are dead in Scotland they are actually deluding themselves.

(Not a Tory)

OhButMyDarling · 29/08/2019 08:47

A Nicola supporter told me (and they were entirely serious) that they would "allow me to stay in Scotland" once they had achieved independence (I voted No). I was born and raised in Scotland the same as him. But he would allow me to stay. If that is what you want for the UK you are crazy quite frankly.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/08/2019 08:49

I was brought up (in Scotland) in a very socialist household. Back when Labour was socialist that is. Dad involved in local politics.

Still can’t stand SNP and NS.

QualCheckBot · 29/08/2019 08:57

You can't drive between Edinburgh and Dundee on a motorway, no you have to drive all the way round Dundee and stop at traffic lights and navigate several roundabouts.

WTAF are you talking about?

How can anyone not be aware that the A90 goes through Dundee?

To get to Aberdeen from Edinburgh, you must drive on the M90 which shortly after Perth becomes a dual carriageway. Then it goes right through Dundee, with multiple roundabouts and traffic lights.

This is a fact. Even Nicola Sturgeon couldn't deny it.

While I'm at it, there isn't a motorway between Edinburgh and Inverness either. And the Edinburgh City bypass is a disaster. There is barely a time of day or night when its 3 roundabouts, Sheriffhall, Craighall and Hermiston Gait, aren't causing massive tailbacks.

Scotland doesn't have motorways between most of its cities, and there is no prospect of that improving soon. The reality is tailbacks lasting miles and journeys taking twice as long due to the inadequate infrastructure.

You are aware that most countries now have motorways between cities? It isn't particularly environmentally friendly to have quite so many lengthy traffic jams as a semi-permanent feature, no matter how much of the landscape you spoil with windfarms.

AdrenalinBrush · 29/08/2019 09:03

To wish Nicola sturgeon could take over the UK

No thanks. NS cannot balance Scotlands finances so I am not sure how she thinks independence is going to work. Scotlands deficit is more than half the UK's, despite being only around 8% of the UK population.

That said, I am all for Scottish Independence. We all support the new independent Eastern European countries that broke away from the USSR, more than half of us support leaving Europe. I think it is massively hypocritical to want to hang on to Scotland.

Personally, I don't think we are all better together. I think smaller countries are better run.

QualCheckBot · 29/08/2019 09:07

zsazajuju Usual predictable anti Scottish rhetoric here. I think she’s doing a great job as do about 40-50% of the Scottish people who vote for her.

Actually, it was 46.5% of a 55.6% turnout who voted SNP in the last Scottish parliamentary elections. 51.6% of that 55.6% turnout voted for Conservative, Labour or LibDem.

The Scottish electorate is 4.1 million. That means less than 1 million people voted SNP.

3/4 of the Scottish electorate did not vote for the SNP.