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To wish Nicola sturgeon could take over the UK

198 replies

InkedGreen · 28/08/2019 20:51

She's speaking so much sense at the moment about brexit. I think she'd do a good job at running the country and is saying the truth about what boris Johnson! Would be good to get prescription fees and tution fees scrapped in England also!

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jellycatspyjamas · 29/08/2019 06:34

And the Police, NHS and education are all a mess UK wide, if you want to made sweeping generalisations. Let's not save all the mud slinging for the Scottish Government.

The police, education and NHS are all devolved issues though so within Sturgeon’s governance. My frustration is that after many years of an SNP government I see little evidence of their assertion that Scotland would be more equal, better resourced etc etc.

For a government so physically close to its population they’re remarkably bad at not listening. In just one example their lack of preparedness to listen to concerns about putting Named Person responsibilities into legislation led to an utter shambles whereby a pretty good process for joined up working turned was over legislated for. Even knowing this they still kept going until the Supreme Court told them what any main grade social worker could have done - they were acting illegally, breaching human rights and over stretching.

Just one example of them just not listening. Yes, governments make mistakes, yes politicians are notorious for not listening but there are (usually) checks and balances to that. Scotland doesn’t have checks and balances in place and does have a government notorious for listening to its own voice in isolation. So no, I’d not want Nicola in charge.

PurBal · 29/08/2019 06:40

I don't think her policies consider much of the UK beside Scotland...

jellycatspyjamas · 29/08/2019 06:45

Her policies barely even consider Scotland to be fair...

yogafailure · 29/08/2019 06:53

Fuck NO - she's an absolute belter 🙈

PrimalLass · 29/08/2019 07:14

Schools with no contingency plans when they get set on fire so pupils lose out on education - I could find only two examples of fires in Scottish schools when I researched this claim, in any case they don’t state that the period where education was not provided was long. And if a tragic event like a fire happens then another school would provide education for these students, I know that similar happened to me when my school had closed to have work done to it. Scotland has a very ‘it takes a village to raise a child’ approach, so I don’t see your point. Schools with no heating - Examples? I went to five schools in Scotland and all had heating.

The problem with Woodmill is that the schools round about are at capacity and falling down. There isn't room to move the children elsewhere. In this part of Fife some of our schools are at crisis point. This isn't whinging - it is the reality of living with these problems. The problem has been ignored for far too long, and there isn't a quick fix so some children go through their whole secondary education in a decrepit building.

We've had issues with no water twice at our local high school in a matter of months.

Twooter · 29/08/2019 07:27

No from me.
TheNamedperson obsession
Pushing Self Id
And yes, a serious shortage of teachers

AlwaysCheddar · 29/08/2019 07:34

Hell no!

Span1elsRock · 29/08/2019 07:35

Um that would be a HELL NO from me...............

StoorieHoose · 29/08/2019 07:36

Surely the issue with Dunfermline lies with the council? It wasn't the Scottish government who sold all that land to housing developers - the council have done nothing to alleviate the issue of school places even though they knew that thousands of extra places would be needed

londonrach · 29/08/2019 07:37

Seriously! No, shes too single minded..independence, independence one trick pony.

BolloxtoGender · 29/08/2019 07:38

Yabvu can’t stand her

BolloxtoGender · 29/08/2019 07:39

She hates the English

mossmurray · 29/08/2019 07:42

Op, can I ask what your basing your opinion of her on? Do you live in Scotland?
I do and would not wish her upon the rest of the uk or anywhere to be fair.
The Scottish education system is in utter turmoil

mossmurray · 29/08/2019 07:43

@PhilCornwall1 Billy Krankie?

OtraCosaMariposa · 29/08/2019 07:43

No, No no no no no no no no no.

Awful woman. She is stirring up hatred and division in Scotland, don't let her do it to the rest of you as well. She's a one trick Independence Pony. She has no interest in anything south of Gretna and don't kid yourself that she does.

She wants brexit to ahead in the most chaotic form possible to increase her chances of independence.

Butchyrestingface · 29/08/2019 07:44

She hates the English

Yeah, she eats 5 of them lightly toasted for breakfast every morning.

I guess GF OP got what she wanted with this thread - wind ‘em up and watch ‘em go.

Phimma · 29/08/2019 07:48

Bloody hell now I've read it all. NS take over - this is a joke right?

Whatsforu · 29/08/2019 07:48

I take it this is a wind up? You wouldnt want her running your corner shop!!! This is the woman that is so desperate to be separated from England yet happily ruled by EUHmm

QualCheckBot · 29/08/2019 07:50

Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP made me so uncomfortable that when the economy started to struggle in Aberdeen, like many others, I moved to England, and have felt glad I did so ever since. Where do I start?

  • the Scottish Constitution - no proper checks and balances on abuse of power because it is a unicameral set up. In other words, they check themselves! No plans to improve it. The SNP talked about a "Scottish version of the ECHR" - why not just adopt the EU one? Perhaps because a lot of legislation is non-compliant with the ECHR if properly scrutinised.

-Corruption in the way that only a small country which likes to protect certain interests gets away with. City of Edinburgh Council is mired in scandal that the Scottish Government didn't even bother to debate - statutory notices fraud (forcing large numbers of property owners to pay for expensive and shoddily done work by the Council's favourite compulsorily appointed tradesmen), PPIs projects done so incompetently that schoolchildren died due to collapsing new buildings, crematorium scandals, etc.

  • higher taxes and tax creep and for what?
  • the roads are truly dreadful. Its not all about the slow failure of the A9, the SNP are incapable of building motorways between the cities. The M8 has only 2 lanes and a traffic jam its entire length every day. The Edinburgh Bypass is the same. You can't drive between Edinburgh and Dundee on a motorway, no you have to drive all the way round Dundee and stop at traffic lights and navigate several roundabouts.
  • the country has just become depressing. Aberdeen, where I used to live, has lost so many talented workers that Scotland really needed to retain due to job losses. Not a word from the SNP about that. There are so many empty offices with for rent signs, so many boarded up former shops in the city centre.
  • new build housing estates going up in vast numbers everywhere and why? Everyone wants to move to Edinburgh because its the least depressing part if you need a salaried job, but that does mean the central belt has turned into an unplanned conurbation with quite appalling transport infrastructure. The new housing estates are to try and stimulate the failing economy.

I dread having to go into Scotland for work now, because I know that I will be stuck in numerous traffic jams and it will take me much longer to travel the same distance as elsewhere.

  • Education - university numbers from Scotland have reduced under the SNP and if you have ever had to try and teach them at university, you will know that most university lecturers agree that the debating skills of Scottish students are sorely lacking - the schools fail to equip them with that for some reason. Admittedly this is nothing new.
  • Control. The Scottish Government loves to pass legislation controlling peoples' lives and banning things. It is quite often told that this is illegal by the European Court of Justice!! It also likes to use legislation to create protected little industries that people are forced to pay for when they aren't in other parts of the country - see statutory notices above, licenses that aren't required elsewhere, sellers' surveys retained, etc..

England is not perfect. But its a huge relief living here and not being subjected to the scary SNP policies. Living under constant threat of vast constitutional upheaval gets you down! Its hard to plan your life. The NHS is better here. I can see a specialist sent to my small town to consult whereas in Aberdeen, you often would have to travel to Glasgow to see a specialist. Theres a big recruitment problem. I wonder why? See above.

I don't actually believe the SNP's commitment to joining the EU on independence. Its so non-compliant, from its budget deficit to its legislation. All those jobs created by legislation in the property sector would have to go, because they don't comply with EU competition law. The UK as a whole has always been given an easy ride by the EU compliance authorities, but a new entrant country would be much more heavily scrutinised. Even its government structure is not compliant as it is not bicameral and doesn't provided the checks and balances required elsewhere.

So an independent Scotland would be instantly a high tax country with a failing economy and deteriorating infrastructure, outwith the EU and with no prospect in sight of its joining. They can talk all they like about joining the EU - it would likely take at least 12 years but that's if the EU bent the goalposts and ignored the requirements that other new countries are subject to, such as changing their legislation and constitutions to comply with EU rules. That seems about as likely as Scotland's economy improving enough to join in that timescale.

So you end up in a tiny country on its own, with an inadequate constitution, severe economic problems, outwith the EU and the ECHR and a government structure that permits both abuse of power and legislation controlling peoples' lives.

That's why I got out!

berlinbabylon · 29/08/2019 07:51

Over spending on the trams in edinburgh

Wasn't this the Labour city council?

It's been a while since I was last in Scotland but when I was in Edinburgh at the end of 2016 there seemed to be about as many homeless people as there are in London, and I thought all is not well in Nicola's SNP paradise.

All that said, I remember somebody telling me years ago, long before indyref1 was a twinkle in anyone's eye, that the SNP ran a tight ship and people voted for them because they thought they were a safe pair of hands, not because they wanted to dissolve the Union. So something has changed, and I suspect that "something" is the austerity coming from Westminster.

Anyway as far as Brexit goes, she should be a thorn in the side of Westminster.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/08/2019 07:52

When I was little we used to laugh at the SNP. They were the monster raving looney party of where I came from.

Busybusybust · 29/08/2019 07:52

Nooooo! Appalling woman!

Gladimnotcampinginthisweather · 29/08/2019 07:54

😱

EdtheBear · 29/08/2019 07:54

Fuck no!

Education close the attainment gap, really means drop standards to the lowest.

Named person nanny state.

Now if you said get Ruth Davidson in the ring - that would be a different ball game!

marvellousnightforamooncup · 29/08/2019 07:56

I've been saying this for months OP (only half joking). I'm not a nat, I voted No in the Indyref but I think NS is a brilliant politician and I do admire her.

Also fair play to Ruth Davidson if she does resign.