Self ID women being asked to volunteer in Devon Rape Crisis Centre *Triggering - rape*

[Theendofmyrope]

AIBU to think this is just fucking insane? Is this how it is going to be from now on? As the parent of a rape victim I feel beyond angry. Is no place safe for women now?

It shouldn't be made harder for any woman wanting to receive appropriate support.
Nobody said it would be. Nasty prejudice.

See my post above about women being expected to share rooms with male-bodied people. Why do you think the same wouldn't apply to a counselling service within a similar kind of organisation?

Ah yes, your apocryphal tales not about Devon Rape Crisis. Ever worked in counselling? This is bullshit and nasty, prejudiced assumption that is dominating this thread.

@Butchyrestingface, no, member for years. As I said, I try to avoid it. I thought people had a board specifically for this kind of stuff!

This is why I no longer fundraise for 'womens' charities like Rape Crisis and DV shelters.

This kind of trauma therapy should be single sex. Not to mention women built and bought the system

We currently have a trans woman in Canada suing every single wax place they can go to for not “waxing their testicles” as they are a woman and therefore should be waxed like a woman.

This has precisely fuck all to do with Devon Rape Crisis and the fact that they explicitly offer service to trans women and sexual minorities in addition to women. You're desperate to be nasty here.

No I’m not.

I’m trying to keep single sex based organisations single sex for women’s safety!

Just because I mentioned Canada doesn’t mean it won’t happen here

I don't understand the specific advert. If they specifically need transwomen to help other transwomen victims,then fine. If they are some how seeking them out to tick some sort of PC box, then it is not ok! I am fine with trans in pretty much any role. But I think that, if I were a victim of rape, I would find it harder to open up to or relate to a trans female (much less a self identifying male).

Nobody said it would be. Nasty prejudice.

You are expecting a woman to speak out if they are assigned a trans counsellor and they're not comfortable. That is making it harder for them.

I'd have a lot more respect for your position if you were realistic and honest about the potential consequences. You might think it's worth it. And that's fine. But to totally deny that there is any issue is just yet another "It'll never happen" opinion that has been shown repeatedly to actually happen.

Why is pro women anti trans? Why is concern about the impact on female rape victims by mtf people volunteering at a rape crisis centre being reframed as prejudice? Nasty.
Just stop and think for one minute about the traumatised women this may impact.
Clearly trans people are in need of rape counselling services, rape crisis centres need to be mindful of this and offer the community the specialised services they need. They do not need to carelessly lump them in with women.

There always will be someone exploiting any situation for their own gain.

There are women who have lied about being raped, they use the system for their own gain too, it doesn't mean that all women shouldn't be supported.

There is literally nowhere for trans people to seek support, your average transgender people are as much a victim of the TRAs as anyone else, if not more actually.

Every one deserves support in times of crisis, it sounds like they are doing their best to help everyone and are still being called out for getting it wrong.

Are transgender rape victims just supposed to bugger off and be someone else's problem? Are they not worthy of support too?

Are transgender females never rape victims then?

Will transwomen volunteers only work with victims who are transwomen?

Will women be allowed to turn down transwomen volunteers?

Calling women "nasty" because they want to retain single-sex spaces and understand that there are predators out there who will exploit self-identification loopholes to gain access to vulnerable females is, well, nasty.

I’m trying to keep single sex based organisations. What are you on about? They explicitly offer services to rape victims who are women AND sexual minorities and trans. Do you mean that you want them to be something they're not?? And without offering a single shred of evidence that women's rape counselling is harmed beyond your oozing, nasty prejudice?

We currently have a trans woman in Canada suing every single wax place they can go to for not “waxing their testicles” as they are a woman and therefore should be waxed like a woman.

So, because trans women in Canada has (wrongfully in my opinion) kicked of about people not waxing them. Then the Devon rap crisis centre shouldn’t Ben able to employ trans volunteers??? I don’t see the link! Should we be Suspicion of all trans women because of this Canadian, who might well just be a cunt and in no way representative of trans women in general.

it doesn't mean that all women shouldn't be supported

There are plenty of people who would disagree with on that.

*with you.

Calling women "nasty" because they want to retain single-sex spaces
Where is your evidence that women only services aren't available? You have none! It's assumption and prejudice based on the fact that others are also offered rape crisis! It IS nasty.

Will transwomen volunteers only work with victims who are transwomen?

Will women be allowed to turn down transwomen volunteers?

These are the pertinent questions here. If the answer to both is "yes", then that is fine. But that isn't the way it has gone in the US and Canada, and I suspect it's not the way things are heading here.

All women aren't being supported, the waiting lists and the current police policies are seeing to that.

No rape victim should have to ask for a female counselor. If you want mixed sex services, o one is stopping you from starting them up.

doesn't mean that all women shouldn't be supported ‘women’ the clue is in the name.

I volunteer for a rape crisis centre. I am never gave to face with any client, unless its at a public event.

There is a wide range of volunteer opportunities available - and most of the client work is done by employees.

Just to add a bit of perspective.

Are transgender rape victims just supposed to bugger off and be someone else's problem? Are they not worthy of support too?

And that was the question I asked upthread (and got jumped on).

Where has anyone said they shouldn’t be able to access support? They should. But not in women’s spaces. If specific rape counselling services for trans people don’t exist, they should campaign for them (just as other minority populations have had to). What they shouldn’t get to do is be subsumed into services aimed at biological females.

Saying that you don’t think transwomen should be able to access rape counselling services specifically aimed at women and girls is not the same as saying you think they shouldn’t be able to access rape counselling services.

Any decent and empathic trans woman wouldn’t touch this with a barge pole. They would understand and put the victims first.

The clue is actually in 'rape crisis'. They support rape victims.

Exactly GCAcademic. There seems to be an assumption on this thread that transwomen who volunteer will be there specifically to help transwomen who use the service. But has this actually been confirmed?

Where has anyone said they shouldn’t be able to access support?*

What are you talking about? This organisation explicitly offers that support, and are being massively criticised for it!